Official Finish of the Charity Pro-Truck 100

[nelson]

The rule in line b states must have all forward and reverse gears working no modifacations the trans in the truck does have all forward gears and reverse working so it must be illegal
Nelosn

[gary laplant]

Nelson


Never mind you just dont get it and won"t.




gary laplant

[Vantage]

Don't Get It

No Gary I believe you are the one that does't get it. Nelson ran a trannie in this race that was developed by JW specifically for pro truck racing in the state of Florida that has been accepted as legal for many years. Other tracks and officials in this state have already come on this board and said that these trannies are legal in their series and at their tracks. What you and others apparently need to do is read the fascar rules which this race were supposedly run under. At the top of the fascar pro truck rules as a definition for stock these words are used: AFTERMARKET PARTS MUST BE SAME DIMENSION, WEIGHT, AND/OR VOLUME AS OEM PARTS. Thats exactly what Nelsons trannie contains, as documented clearly here by his builder. You and others seem to have a misconception that the rules do not allow for aftermarket parts. Its stated right there in the rules in black and white that aftermarket parts may be used. The question remains why all this has changed at this race at this time with no rule change or notification to teams. The 37 Team got ripped! You know it and I know it. The question now is where is the integrity level of these series officials in control. After the real facts have been presented, and they clearly have, will they right the wrong?

[gary laplant]

Vanage
Nick did a great job at hte race but a rule is a rule no matter how good of a race you had sorry.

Here is the full rule you are talking about you forgot parts of the rule to make it a complete rule not just 1/2 the rule.

2011 FASCAR PRO TRUCK RULES
PLEASE BE SURE YOU HAVE READ AND UNDERSTAND THE GENERAL RULES-SAFTRY RULES AND THE DRIVER SAFETY EQUIPMENT BEFORE CONTINING

The word Stockused within this set of rules means as originally produced by the manufactuurer for the make/model/year of car with no altering or modifications, Aftermarket parts must be same dimenisions weight and or volume as OEM part. (The PART YOU LEFT OUTOF THE RULE) Determination of whether an aftermarket part is legal will be the tech inpectors decision.


I was told that on the J&W part list for the part we are talking about it called a lighten replacemant part???? Plus online here they call it a modified part which make it not legal per the rule. It states i very clearing in the above rule and it restarts it clearly again in the transmission rule too no modifications.



Gary Laplant

[Vantage]

Gary

I can barely read your post, can you check them before you post? What the complete rule has to do with the context of what I wrote I have no idea. I believe what Nelson was called wrong on was he had suposedly modified parts in his trannie, When in reality he has exactly what the rule calls for. He is running a trannie witch contains parts remanufactured by his biulder to replicate stock parts used in these 350 trannies in a stock application.This would be and always has been considered after market parts. Just as these coverters previously discussed are. They are of the same dimention, weight and/or volume as the oem stock parts used. As I said before either out of ignorance or someone elses influence, the wrong decision was made by tech. now that all the facts are known, it needs to be made right. Making the wrong decision because of what ever reason, then not changing it after the true facts are presented just because you can is why truck racing is where its at. Everyone knows The final decision is made by the tech man in charge, Thats why we are seeing all the hits on this subject. They all want to know if these officials are going to do the right thing!

[racin24dev]

I can barely read your post, can you check them before you post? What the complete rule has to do with the context of what I wrote I have no idea. I believe what Nelson was called wrong on was he had suposedly modified parts in his trannie, When in reality he has exactly what the rule calls for. He is running a trannie witch contains parts remanufactured by his biulder to replicate stock parts used in these 350 trannies in a stock application.This would be and always has been considered after market parts. Just as these coverters previously discussed are. They are of the same dimention, weight and/or volume as the oem stock parts used. As I said before either out of ignorance or someone elses influence, the wrong decision was made by tech. now that all the facts are known, it needs to be made right. Making the wrong decision because of what ever reason, then not changing it after the true facts are presented just because you can is why truck racing is where its at. Everyone knows The final decision is made by the tech man in charge, Thats why we are seeing all the hits on this subject. They all want to know if these officials are going to do the right thing!

Just because YOU say it's right doesn't mean that is the 100% right decision. If this is something that is a judgement call, then whatever the tech officials call is should stand without arguement.

[gary laplant]

Vantage

LMAO on your last post I am done on this subject with you.


Gary Laplant

[fred23]

I don't have a dog in this fight....wasn't even there.......Vantage you seem to be interchanging "modified" and "After market" as the same meaning......they are completely different. If you have an OEM part or an Aftermarket part , neither can be modified. Drilling holes in a solid piece is modifying it.

[Osmosis Jones]

Glass Houses, Inc.....

"I can barely read your post, can you check them before you post? What the complete rule has to do with the context of what I wrote I have no idea. I believe what Nelson was called wrong on was he had suposedly modified parts in his trannie, When in reality he has exactly what the rule calls for. He is running a trannie witch contains parts remanufactured by his biulder to replicate stock parts used in these 350 trannies in a stock application.This would be and always has been considered after market parts. Just as these coverters previously discussed are. They are of the same dimention, weight and/or volume as the oem stock parts used. As I said before either out of ignorance or someone elses influence, the wrong decision was made by tech. now that all the facts are known, it needs to be made right. Making the wrong decision because of what ever reason, then not changing it after the true facts are presented just because you can is why truck racing is where its at. Everyone knows The final decision is made by the tech man in charge, Thats why we are seeing all the hits on this subject. They all want to know if these officials are going to do the right thing!"

You could do with a spell check program yourself, "Vantage"....

Why all the crying? He may not be the best speller or grammatically perfect but his point was pretty clear to me. Bonus that he spanked you on your "less than complete" quoting of the FASCAR rules. You keep arguing that these transmissions have been legal for years and years....this is also a fallacy. These types of modifications have ALWAYS been illegal. What's different now is a tech man finally decided to make transmissions and their internal parts a part of the post-race tech inspection for this race. Same as if he had wanted to P&G a 305ci motor....or measure windshield rakes....or anything else in that "gray area of the rulebook" that racers like to play around in. It never ceases to amaze me when racers are caught cheating...sorry, don't mean to offend anyone's delicate sensibilities...when they are found to have performance enhancing options in their rides...that the first three things that pop out of their mouths are: "We didn't know it was there! It was like that when we bought it!" , "Our driver is so good he doesn't need that stuff to win" and finally, "Doing that doesn't make the car any faster anyways."

No matter what, these three things always find their way into the mix.

CAN NO ONE EVER SIMPLY, FOR ONCE, JUST SAY, "WELL, THEY CAUGHT US BOYS. LET'S LOAD ER' UP, TAKE OUR LUMPS AND TRY AGAIN NEXT TIME."

There is a reason JW Transmissions is in business and are very popular among the winning racers. And it's not to make the coolest running transmission for your buck.

Follow the money, dude.

[hooters7truck]

GIVE IT UP ALREADY. Nick was dq because his tran did NOT comply with the rules.

[Vantage]

Glass house / aftermarket

Osmosis, Thanks for joining the coversation. You got me on the spelling deal. I was in a hurry and blew it. I don't have time to check yours thoroughly but I'm sure it's all good! I just think they left it wide open on the aftermarket thing. He didn't modify it. He bought it as an aftermarket same as stock trannie, and the biulder has shown some good documentation on that. Websters definition of aftermarket is read as follows: the market for parts and accessories used in the repair or enhancement of a product. I think they owe it a second look. The reputation of a lot of people are at stake here.

[racin24dev]

My thoughts..

Exactly, aftermarket means the ENHANCEMENT of the product, how could they change their mind if it's the same part? It states that the decision is up to the tech man, which is what tech men are there for, and the part was obviously different than a stock version.

Reputation would not be an issue if this were just dropped and admitted that "hey, maybe this wasn't right, so instead of fighting a pointless battle, we'll just go fix it."

I wasn't involved, but this is just my opinion...

[rad dad 12]

hey oj

i can remember one year at desoto where this man and his friend won all the races that year but one because they both went some where diffent track lol and never got dqed oem rules lol

[rad dad 12]

vw rules

it was fun to see that little red rabbit run and the dodge trying thats when racing was fun

[Osmosis Jones]

It happens....

Everybody makes spelling errors from time to time....it was just funny that you gigged him on content and then made a few yourself. I like to point out the hypocritical stuff when I can....lol

About your reasoning and using Websters as a source for your argument....

There's usually a little codecil (there's that word again, Rick) included in just about about every racetrack's rule book that says,
"The Tech man shall hath the final sayeth".
Not Mr. Webster. Not KARNAC posters. Not JW Transmissions.

And, believe me, the same people who have been buying transmissions from JW are still going to buy transmissions from JW. There reputation has not been sullied one bit. Most racers "know" the legality(or lack thereof) of what they are buying to put in or on their race vehicles. If nothing else, maybe this can open a dialogue with racetracks and racers for a revamping of the existing rules to allow for this "non-performance enhancing, tranny-life extending, non-leak producing" alteration to be allowed.

But even so...and I think someone touched on this earlier in the thread....ignorance of the legality of the parts and/or components that you purchase does not absolve you from the penalties of being found with said parts and/or components in or on your race car (or truck in this case). And as most people have said, Nick is a good driver and he and his dad are good people. They just got caught without a chair when the music finally stopped.

It happens.
Move on.
I'm sure they will.