Showtime Speedway Article and Race Video - Restart Controversy

[openwm53]

Ok

Oh, I am chilled, just like to call out unsportsmanlike conduct...
and it doesn't happen all of the time.

Ok maybe sometimes ten 4

[racin24dev]

Well...

Them " big motor cars " are going to run away from the field no matter what tires you run. They always do. The Liberal view is that every racer should get a chance to win, that the successful racers should be slowed down so everyone has a chance. Re-distribution of trophies you might say. But that's not true racing.

You're wrong...but I'm sure you'll have a good reason as to why you're not.

I've won races this year on both the R750 and the F-53 tires and I can promise you that I don't have one of the biggest motors out there. The best part of the OWM class is that you have to get up on the wheel to make them fast...putting them on the 10" slicks similar to the SLM's would be bad for racing...and there's proof of that over the last year or so between NSS trying it and Auburndale talking about doing it.

[OldSchool+]

R24D...

Agreed. In fact, they are close now, why not go to a bigger tire and tube chassis--NE mod rules?

The answer of course, is a strung out show and slowly dwindling cars until there is no show.

RE: Your motor--For a 305, that thing runs good!

[Matt Albee]

You're wrong...but I'm sure you'll have a good reason as to why you're not.

I've won races this year on both the R750 and the F-53 tires and I can promise you that I don't have one of the biggest motors out there. The best part of the OWM class is that you have to get up on the wheel to make them fast...putting them on the 10" slicks similar to the SLM's would be bad for racing...and there's proof of that over the last year or so between NSS trying it and Auburndale talking about doing it.

Thanks for that insight Devin. No, i don't think that winning absolutely requires hp, at least not on the shorter ovals. I'm mostly making fun of the racers on here who constantly claim that the only reason they can't win is " them big motor cars ".
I will disagree with one of your points though. Getting up on the wheel is done just as much with the tour mods ( with their steam roller tires ) as it is with skinny tire Florida OWMs.
In your opinion, whats the proof of bad racing over at NSS.

[racin24dev]

Thanks for that insight Devin. No, i don't think that winning absolutely requires hp, at least not on the shorter ovals. I'm mostly making fun of the racers on here who constantly claim that the only reason they can't win is " them big motor cars ".
I will disagree with one of your points though. Getting up on the wheel is done just as much with the tour mods ( with their steam roller tires ) as it is with skinny tire Florida OWMs.
In your opinion, whats the proof of bad racing over at NSS.

The reason for getting up on the wheel in Tour Mods is because of the excessive amount of horsepower that they do have...I never did say that they don't have to...The comparison I was making was between SLM's and OWM's. I was basically saying that I've raced them both and the OWM is much more driver demanding.

My opinion about the racing at NSS that I mentioned is that when they tried the 10" tires on the OWM's there, it was strung out racing with Symons (which we all know has a big motor) checked out and 6 or 7 other cars spread out around the track.

NSS is a very racey track, and I enjoy it...I was in no way taking a shot at the track...but instead the OWM's on 10" tires.

[OldSchool+]

Devin,

Thx for your insight.

On the other hand... Although it will probably never happen, since you have driven both, what do you think 8" tires would do for late model competition?

[scottgarrity07]

Devin,

Thx for your insight.

On the other hand... Although it will probably never happen, since you have driven both, what do you think 8" tires would do for late model competition?

C'mon OS, you know.

In Theory: Late Models would be harder to drive and handling would mean more and hp would mean a little less.

In Actuality: The teams would leave the track changing to the 8" rubber and flock to the tracks staying on the 10" rubber.

[OldSchool+]

Scott, you are correct.

Was just looking for perhaps different insight.

It just seems so compelling...if 8" works better on modifieds, and 8" works better on sportsmans, why not late models?

And--re: going to tracks running 10" tires... without trying to be insulting, if we are down to less tracks than one can count on one hand, is it really an atmosphere conducive to being "choosey"?

Finally, you would think the tracks would get on the same page, but...

[scottgarrity07]

Scott, you are correct.

Was just looking for perhaps different insight.

It just seems so compelling...if 8" works better on modifieds, and 8" works better on sportsmans, why not late models?

And--re: going to tracks running 10" tires... without trying to be insulting, if we are down to less tracks than one can count on one hand, is it really an atmosphere conducive to being "choosey"?

Finally, you would think the tracks would get on the same page, but...

That's the whole point. All these tracks choose to be on their own island. One by one the sea is rising and swallowing the islands but no one seems to want to move to a higher (common) ground.

Many areas around the country run LM's on 8" rubber. Just not here. Aside from the mass exodus it would create, there are other reasons it wouldn't help competition. There is essentially no shock rule to prevent LM teams from adjusting to the 8" rubber by coming up with exotic shock combinations. Where they do run 8" it is combatted with strict shock rules (think ACT LM's). Supers are the top dog on asphalt here. Slowing them down would hurt their appeal from a fan and racers point of view. Also FL Super rules are in line with Pensacola as well as the other big Super touring Series across the US. This enables the Snowball and World Series to be such national draws as they are.

[OldSchool+]

Thank you again, Scott.

You know, like Yoho and his mod drivers that prefer the F53, everyone has their own best interests in mind--and that is fine and natural enough.

But I am hoping that everyone can keep in the back of their mind that car count is king.

[Phil Jacques]

Oldschool, a little insight for you that Scott WILL back me up on... Enjoy it while it lasts at Showtime, because the day will inevitably come where it all falls to pieces.

I have been watching the Arutes run Stafford Motor Speedway in CT the exact same way Yoho is running his track. It was absolutely awesome for a number of years and worked well, but as times changed, so did the racers minds. Racers these days want some options and flexibility. This is why so many tracks are slowly aligning rules if they are in the same area. Unique rule packages are great while you have the cars, but as new cars get built, most are built with flexibility in mind and if certain things allow you only to run 1 single track, well, that's likely to change the direction of a build most times. It's unfortunate that it works this way but it does. Stafford has a 5 division weekly card... Dare Stocks, Limited Late Models, Late Models, SK Light and SK... Out of those 5 divisions, 2 of them have similar rules to Thompson and Waterford which are both within 40 miles of Stafford. Care to guess which divisions have the highest car counts at Stafford right now? Quite honestly if Yoho were to align the rules with other tracks now, he may be able to prevent this from happening, and I sure as hell hope he is able to, because the success he is having right now is good for you guys in many ways! I just fear that the clock is ticking...

For the record, the answer to my question is the SK Light with 20 car average and SK with 25 car average... The Dare Stocks are averaging 11, Limited Lates 9, and Late Models 12... Up until last year they were averaging 25 to 30 cars in every division... When I made my first big car start in 2012 at Stafford in a Dare Stock, I started last in a 32 car field...

[openwm53]

Phil

Oldschool, a little insight for you that Scott WILL back me up on... Enjoy it while it lasts at Showtime, because the day will inevitably come where it all falls to pieces.

I have been watching the Arutes run Stafford Motor Speedway in CT the exact same way Yoho is running his track. It was absolutely awesome for a number of years and worked well, but as times changed, so did the racers minds. Racers these days want some options and flexibility. This is why so many tracks are slowly aligning rules if they are in the same area. Unique rule packages are great while you have the cars, but as new cars get built, most are built with flexibility in mind and if certain things allow you only to run 1 single track, well, that's likely to change the direction of a build most times. It's unfortunate that it works this way but it does. Stafford has a 5 division weekly card... Dare Stocks, Limited Late Models, Late Models, SK Light and SK... Out of those 5 divisions, 2 of them have similar rules to Thompson and Waterford which are both within 40 miles of Stafford. Care to guess which divisions have the highest car counts at Stafford right now? Quite honestly if Yoho were to align the rules with other tracks now, he may be able to prevent this from happening, and I sure as hell hope he is able to, because the success he is having right now is good for you guys in many ways! I just fear that the clock is ticking...

For the record, the answer to my question is the SK Light with 20 car average and SK with 25 car average... The Dare Stocks are averaging 11, Limited Lates 9, and Late Models 12... Up until last year they were averaging 25 to 30 cars in every division... When I made my first big car start in 2012 at Stafford in a Dare Stock, I started last in a 32 car field...

I am curious as what you keep implying about the rules.....the rules are exactly the same at all tracks in the mod class......we went through that mess already.....until this year we were all on the same tire ?

[Phil Jacques]

I am curious as what you keep implying about the rules.....the rules are exactly the same at all tracks in the mod class......we went through that mess already.....until this year we were all on the same tire ?

The F53 is a discontinued tire... Why hoard tires and force your drivers to run that tire when the rest of the state is on the 750R? Tires are a rule. I know you guys want to stay with the F53, but that's not possible for much longer. Why prolong the agony? All the other tracks have 750Rs, if he just went to a 750, you guys at Showtime, would still run, and he stands a chance of gaining other cars that were only kept away because they didn't want to buy 6 tires to race once (you do need spares remember). It's stuff like that. Like I said, Yoho has a good deal RIGHT NOW... But it could be 10 months, or 10 years before it all falls apart if he doesn't keep the racer in mind and not just his pocket.

[OldSchool+]

I supported Scott's new Sportsman tire, and it has had rave reviews.

As it turns out, although the mod guys that run on the 750 have loved it, the bulk of the bad-a boys run on the West Coast, and to the guy, they all wanted to keep the F53.

If Yoho bought two years of the tires out of his pocket to keep his racers happy, that seems like a upstanding, "good" thing to do. It does not jive with my other consistency thing, but most $15k and up motor guys can afford two sets of tars.

They are on sale this weekend at Auburndale.

PS--If your name was "Arute", why on earth would you name your kid "Jack"?
(although, admittedly, it did seem somehow appropriate back when he used to be on the tube...)

[Weftracing96]

It would make nore sense to get in line with the rest of the tracks. The OWM guys run all over the state. It would be in their best interest to have uniform tire rules. Makes it easier to work with and get to know the tires better and again, keeps cost down. You know darn well if a track is running the 750, then you won't be allowed to run the F53. Why always go against the grain? Focus on treating your racers fairly, not trying to buck every other track in the state.