Hossier R750 Tire Test

[Don Nerone]

Scotty might you say that the tire they tested is a new one ?
They also tested the 800 at the same time.
What did the racers that tested say about them?
I was trying to help all of you and I became the bad guy.
In the future try to let the tire people deal with the tire building.
Hoosher has been working on this for 3 years and mabe they have solved it.
Jeff has been the one doing most of the pushing for a new tire.
You might not like him but he is the only one on the florida team.

don62

[Don Nerone]

O yea it wont be a split compound. the tire will be used on both sides of the car. This will lower the cost to the racer.
I heard that they will be used on all the cars with 8 " tires so that the upper classes can sell the used tires to the lower div. this will also lower the cost .
Win for every one..


don62

[shorttrackcar1]

Don so your saying Hoosier is coming out with a tire that will last longer for the racers and the plus for Hoosier is they get to sell less tires ?

[openwm53]

Myself

openwm53 I don't blame you guys for being pissed . I don't get it this happens about every 2 years it seams with the tire BS. funny thing is most of the mod guys have no clue their even testing tires its top secret . like NSS had Jason Boyd testing tires in the 66 mod its been years since he's raced any car . should he even be the one testing tires ? I don't think so .

And many other Mod drivers were under the impression it was truck and sportsman testing. Had no idea that the mods were testing at 3 different tracks. I would have been all over them if I knew........Its boils down to a money game......Hoosier using less molds...... As for the people testing I don't know about NSS but D.J. and L.J were good choices. You want a real test.....Let bout 5 or ten mods out there..... lets get a consensus of many teams???? not the sneaky bull shit...........

Doug Miller

[openwm53]

complete

O yea it wont be a split compound. the tire will be used on both sides of the car. This will lower the cost to the racer.
I heard that they will be used on all the cars with 8 " tires so that the upper classes can sell the used tires to the lower div. this will also lower the cost .
Win for every one..


don62

B.S....... Mr. Nerone Where were u 4 short years ago....

[shorttrackcar1]

your right they should have gave everybody that would come out and test tires. instead some drivers will show up at the track they will tell oh by the way your running a new tire now here it is .

[shorttrackcar1]

so don tell us how much cheaper is the tires are going to be you mean the price is dropping right ? how much .

[scottgarrity07]

Well Don, here's how I see it. First, I will admit that I was wrong when I said the 750 wasn't a new tire. As you pointed out, Hoosier recompounds tires under old numbers. I was not aware of that. Thank you for that info. Indeed the R750 is not the same as the old 750. However, they did not test the same 800 as we tested. They tested the S800. Which also is a different tire. The S800 has a stiffer sidewall along with it's hard compound. Donny Williams said that the S800 was "undriveable". The regular 800 was just fine. It's sidewall held up, didn't roll over and had adequate grip. Jeff conveniently didn't bring any of the regular 800's with him for this test (even though he provided them for our test). You know, the one you insultingly called the "internet" test. And BTW we tested the 800 and 700 EXACTLY the same way Jeff conducted his tests (this was confirmed by NSS). Only our test was more thorough than Jeff's since we also tested USED 800's. Jeff's test did not include USED R750's. Maybe Jeff can learn from us "internet" testers and provide USED tires in the future so that the performance of how the tire holds up over time can be measured. That's one of the things that NSS was interested in. The performance of the tire as a take-off tire. Jeff's test provided ZERO information on how the R750 will hold up over time. You had a funny way of trying to "help" us with your condescending and "holier than thou" attitude stating that we didn't know how to do a tire test. You know Don, despite all the bad things I have heard about you, I always showed you respect on this board. I was raised to judge people based upon your interaction with them, not what other people say. I tried to do that but when you suggested I should "bust my smart mouth in the wall" at NSS and insinuate that I am stupid and have no clue how to test tires and then try and push my buttons, in addition to denouncing my real-world based research of the 800 as "horse crap", well, It's hard to remain unbiased. I was all fine and good with letting the tire people do their thing, but the tire people had left us on this horrible 650/450 combination that left support class racers on a tire combo that lasted 1 race at a whopping $550+ a set. More than a set of F-53's. Hardly a good scenario for budget strapped support class racers. When I put up my post asking for a change and suggesting the 800 it was July 8th. When I talked to Critter and Kim neither mentioned anything about Jeff having any plans for getting us off those crap tires. They were working on it 3 years and Jeff was pushing for a new tire? Well, they kept it under tight wraps because no one knew anything about it until Critter and Kim asked for a set of 800's to test with. I'm convinced that if I didn't start the ball rolling with my thread we'd still be on the 650/450's for 2015. The only thing I don't like about Jeff is the way he handled this whole deal. Like I said, when asked about the 800 he should have just asked us to hold tight, wait for the new tire and commit to having it ready for 2015. No sweat. That's all we were looking for. A better tire for 2015. If you look back, you were against changing tires initially. Boy have you changed your tune. It's really no big deal. I have a pretty thick skin and none of this bothers me. I DO wish that Patrick, myself and Shannon (as well as the NSS staff and other volunteers from our crews) didn't have to waste our time and money on our test. In the end this R750 appears to be somewhat of a revolutionary tire and that's pretty freakin' cool. What absolutely sucks is that this tire is getting rammed down the throats of the OWM guys who don't want it and are perfectly happy with the F-53. They shouldn't have to be forced to use this tire (which most of them say they will still only use for one race). They are being made unwilling donors of take-offs. I am guessing the ribbed R750 will also cost more than the F-53 like the 650/450's did. Real crappy to pay more for something you don't want. If this was the intention from the beginning (our test only had a Sportsman and a Super Stock) then they should have had a seat at the discussion table. If the intention from the git-go was to have ONE TIRE for all 8" rim classes that was suitable as a take off, then the also brand new 2040 slick should have been the tire Jeff brought to test. In testing at Stafford the tire performed as well or better than the R750 (20 heat cycles and lost less than a half of a tenth in 500 laps). Although the OWM's have struggled to draw big fields at NSS, they are drawing enormously well over here on the West Coast and have tons of big races between Desoto and Showtime. It would suck if any of them parked their cars over this issue. As you can see on this and other threads, they ain't too happy. Now don't get me wrong. I'm very excited to see the R750 mandated as the tire for Sportsman classes on down across the state. It appears it will be a good take off tire from "well to do" Sportsman teams to Super and Street Stock guys. That was one of the goals from the beginning. Will it last as long as the 800? That remains to be seen. But I'm not going to split hairs. I'm just happy to be off the 650/450 garbage. But let's use some common sense and keep the OWM guys on the tire they want. The F-53. There's no plausible reason why we all can't win on this deal. If Jeff truly cares about Florida racing, as you claim, then this shouldn't be an issue.

[JC26]

And many other Mod drivers were under the impression it was truck and sportsman testing. Had no idea that the mods were testing at 3 different tracks. I would have been all over them if I knew........Its boils down to a money game......Hoosier using less molds...... As for the people testing I don't know about NSS but D.J. and L.J were good choices. You want a real test.....Let bout 5 or ten mods out there..... lets get a consensus of many teams???? not the sneaky bull shit...........

Doug Miller

I said the same thing. It's probably not cost effective, but have a night where everyone shows up gets a set of these tires they want tested, and then put a full field of cars out there and see how these tires hold up. Nothing against LJ or DJ, but how can you get a consensus for an entire class based off of what 2 drivers have to offer up? And LJ Has already made a good point that a lot of guys are still going to buy 4 tires every race. So basically we aren't changing anything to better the class, or the racing or the cost, we are just doing it to make things easier for Hoosier. Screw the ribbed tires and let's just put the mods on 10" late model slicks while we are at it.

[openwm53]

lol

I said the same thing. It's probably not cost effective, but have a night where everyone shows up gets a set of these tires they want tested, and then put a full field of cars out there and see how these tires hold up. Nothing against LJ or DJ, but how can you get a consensus for an entire class based off of what 2 drivers have to offer up? And LJ Has already made a good point that a lot of guys are still going to buy 4 tires every race. So basically we aren't changing anything to better the class, or the racing or the cost, we are just doing it to make things easier for Hoosier. Screw the ribbed tires and let's just put the mods on 10" late model slicks while we are at it.

I think we could beat super lates on the 10" I would try....lol.

[Matt Albee]

I said the same thing. It's probably not cost effective, but have a night where everyone shows up gets a set of these tires they want tested, and then put a full field of cars out there and see how these tires hold up. Nothing against LJ or DJ, but how can you get a consensus for an entire class based off of what 2 drivers have to offer up? And LJ Has already made a good point that a lot of guys are still going to buy 4 tires every race. So basically we aren't changing anything to better the class, or the racing or the cost, we are just doing it to make things easier for Hoosier. Screw the ribbed tires and let's just put the mods on 10" late model slicks while we are at it.

I couldn't blame Hoosier for testing with a small but talented group of racers. Giving a set of tires to 20 or 25 mod teams to test would cost the company about $15,000 dollars or so, possibly more.
I don't recall reading about Jason Boyd for the last year or so, but he's showed he can wheel a race car. I'd say his input was probably spot on.

[8modified]

Just talked to Tim Bryan at Pensacola, he tested as well and found the tire did just what DJ and LJ found out. The tire works and he was amazed at the lack of dropoff in times and it was 80+ degree the day of his test on the roughest track in Florida.

He did say that he is only running a few Modified races next year, he was looking at the tire for his normal Saturday race classes. The tire had real good feedback from the modified car as well as the other classes.

Modifieds need to run on a slicks in my opinion, and this tire is a hair slower.

I will buy 4 tires for each race either way, hell on the big money races we practice on new tires as well.

We will not run away from the R750 tire if that what the tracks want to run, they are a tire you can race on. We all have a bad taste in our months from the 450/650 tire and I can understand your feeling against the R750.

Anyone that want to try the R750 we will have a set mounted from the test as well as a new set to look at, at the 12-31-14 race at Showtime.

The first practice at Showtime we will be running the test set of R750 to see how it changed since the test.

[shorttrackcar1]

I don't recall reading about Jason Boyd for the last year or so, but he's showed he can wheel a race car. I'd say his input was probably spot on.[/QUOTE]

matt my point being he has not raced anything in the last few years. you need someone who races weekly to test tires that can compare them to what they have been running. if you don't race but a few times a year or only the big races your not the person to be testing tires period. doesn't matter how well you can wheel a car .

[openwm53]

i dont want to hear

I couldn't blame Hoosier for testing with a small but talented group of racers. Giving a set of tires to 20 or 25 mod teams to test would cost the company about $15,000 dollars or so, possibly more.
I don't recall reading about Jason Boyd for the last year or so, but he's showed he can wheel a race car. I'd say his input was probably spot on.

That it would cost them $$$$ its our money that keep them in business. If I was selling ice cream cones to kids I wouldn't give one kid a cone in a group of kids. Would you ? And it wouldn't be a secret.

[shorttrackcar1]

The two things that has killed short track racing. engine builders and tire company's and that's a fact .