So you were worried about Speedworld...

[scottgarrity07]

I don't know, EZ. Jerry may be on to something here. I'd like to see it tried. Ocala Jim sez the E-Mods are a second slower than the Open Mods. 10" rubber would definitely close that gap and wouldn't be so hard on the stock suspension parts like the Open Mods since they are throwing the car in the corner with 350 h.p. and not 600 + h.p.. It definitely could be an interesting experiment. The Open Mods would haul the mail down the chutes with the big h.p. but the corner speeds would be way quicker with the E-Mods. If they matched up evenly it could be one hell of a show with the E-Mods zipping by in the turns and the Open Mods reeling them back in down the straights. I remember a few years back when they used to run the SK Mods with the Tour Mods during speedweeks. Although grossly outmotored down the chutes the SK's were actually quicker through the middle of the turns with the drivers being able to pick up the throttle quicker.

[UREZ2PASS]

I don't know, EZ. Jerry may be on to something here. I'd like to see it tried. Ocala Jim sez the E-Mods are a second slower than the Open Mods. 10" rubber would definitely close that gap and wouldn't be so hard on the stock suspension parts like the Open Mods since they are throwing the car in the corner with 350 h.p. and not 600 + h.p.. It definitely could be an interesting experiment. The Open Mods would haul the mail down the chutes with the big h.p. but the corner speeds would be way quicker with the E-Mods. If they matched up evenly it could be one hell of a show with the E-Mods zipping by in the turns and the Open Mods reeling them back in down the straights. I remember a few years back when they used to run the SK Mods with the Tour Mods during speedweeks. Although grossly outmotored down the chutes the SK's were actually quicker through the middle of the turns with the drivers being able to pick up the throttle quicker.

Pass the bong water, it must be plentiful and potent. Come on Scott, you can't honestly believe that this even remotely possible.

[scottgarrity07]

Pass the bong water, it must be plentiful and potent. Come on Scott, you can't honestly believe that this even remotely possible.

I prefer the firewater, thank you EZ. And no I don't think it would ever happen, but I would like to see it tried. As a one off exhibition it would indeed be interesting, but to expect E Mod guys to pay 50% more for tires, even running for Open Mod purses, would be impractical. But on paper it would at least seem to be the ticket that would even up the playing field. Tinkering with 2bbls vs 4bbls could help too but in the end the Open Mod guys would be rip sh*t pissed to have a bazillion dollars in their motors and have to be handicapped to the point of making E Mods competitive with them and ultimately would not support the deal. It's one of those hypothetical deals that are always bounced around on here that will never happen. Agreed.

[Frasson118]

If it is impossible, WHY is it impossible?

What got me thinking about it is the dirt LM world. There are lots of places that have different motor packages, even though the basic chassis is the same. They equalize them out with rear spoiler rules.

Granted, that same approach won't do squat on asphalt, but isn't there SOMETHING that evens them out somewhat? Or maybe we should just do nothing at all, other than bitch about 4-6 car fields of one or the other.

Id like to hear from others that know the mechanics of things, rather than just EZ that shoots holes in anything I have to say. Insults from the peanut gallery don't do anything towards finding a compromise.

In fact..... how about some reasons WHY it won't work EZ...? Are there real-life reasons that it CAN'T? Or is it just a shitty idea because I mentioned it?

[Frasson118]

Looks like Scott was typing at the same time I was.

He makes some good points with the cost of tires angle, and the politics of the big motor guys not wanting someone with a $5K motor having the ability to run door to door with their 25K investment.

Now THAT is logic I can listen to..... someone that knows WHY it wouldn't rather than someone that just starts shit with everyone. I'm starting to believe that EZ is actually Don's twin brother.... the one that done gradeated the 6th grade (Jethro Bodine reference).

[ocalasp76]

Just forget about the e mods going to 10" tires,mainly because of the higher tire cost and having to purchase 8 10" rims. The 'e' in e mods meant economy. Now people want them to run as fast as full mods..??
I have a 750 carb I throw on there and a gear change which puts me closer to their times. Keeping up,but not enough motor to do a good pass..
Asphalt e mods are down to a one track class....... leave it alone bench warmers.
As far as the crate motor, there are several in our class that are very competitive. 604 crates in the LM class do pretty well I've seen.
-JIM-

[UREZ2PASS]

Jerry I made a joke out of it because I thought your idea was so freaking stupid that a logical comment was not even needed. Sorry but I'm not taking the time to teach you race car dynamics. Joking was my way of being nice.

Love, Notkintoneronebybirth.us

[Frasson118]

So, the idea won't work..... at least I was trying to come up with SOMETHING, which I don't see anyone else trying to do. Jim admits they are now a 'one-track class', with half a dozen cars on a good night. Full Mods get about the same. So we are stuck with tiny fields of cars that won't attract any fans.

There's a brilliant plan all its own....

I grew up on Mods. I love that class. But I'm not crossing the street to watch 4-6 of them run. As long as the fields stay the size they are, their popularity will continue to die off. Pretty soon we will have 8-12 dust collectors sitting on jack stands, and the same amount of racers pissing & moaning that they can neither run them or sell them.

If I was drowning, I believe I would try to do a little kicking and paddling, instead of just sinking & blaming everyone else that didn't try to save me...

[UREZ2PASS]

Here ya go Jerry, quit sniffling -

Like Jim said, the emods are an economy class. They make 300-350 hp with a 2-barrel carb. You can't make them competitive with a modified making 650+ hp by giving them bigger tires or even a bigger carb. At NSS the legal ones get lapped and lapped by the front running mods. At OSW, they were a little closer but still slugs compared to a modified.

[Frasson118]

At New Smyrna, there is obviously no substitute for outright horsepower. It's evident in every class out there. I thought we were talking about OSW... different animal.

Having 2 different sets of rules for Mods isn't working. There aren't enough of either to stand alone, so neither gets many dates on the schedule (did I read earlier NSS has them something like 4 times all year?). Why would you even OWN a racecar for 4 races a year? I really thought the E-Mod class would catch on. It's a good concept that didn't get the support I thought it would. Now we have 2 divisions that look identical, use the same chassis & tires, that can't be raced with each other.

So which one gets canned completely? It can't go on the direction its currently going. Realistically, there are a lot more Open Mods than E-Mods, so expect them to get the shit-can first. Problem there is, nobody can run with Symons & Tucker, so nobody bothers to show up to race against them.

Jim.... when the day comes that you have to park your car, or cough up $25K for a motor, maybe you'll start to think that someone should have done something before your investment in your hobby turns into a dust collecting, un-sellable paperweight.

As long as the focus is all about horsepower over handling, this class will never thrive. When you HAVE TO HAVE $25-30k in your motor, spend $5-600 per night on tires (plus track mandated minimum fuel purchases) and still racing for $500 to win (and what, maybe $50-100 to start)..... it doesn't take an accountant to realize how badly upside down this whole process is.

I'd rather spend a grand or two to get close, rather than $25K, and still get spanked by Symons and Tucker.

[dd38]

The crate engines the E-Mods run are the 602 and not the 604.

[ancrdave]

It's funny... Clyde Hart started the "Florida Modified" class as a cheap way to go Modified racing in 1986... The rules were simple and the cars were plentiful and each one had a unique look to it... Scott McDade won the track championship at SpeedWorld one year using an engine that had been in his dad's Bomber-type car (I think they called the class Roadrunners at NSS back then)... Somewhere along the line the whole thing morphed into manufactured chassis and $15K or more engines... Same thing that has happened to other "affordable" racing classes in Florida and elsewhere...

[UREZ2PASS]

At New Smyrna, there is obviously no substitute for outright horsepower. It's evident in every class out there. I thought we were talking about OSW... different animal.

Having 2 different sets of rules for Mods isn't working. There aren't enough of either to stand alone, so neither gets many dates on the schedule (did I read earlier NSS has them something like 4 times all year?). Why would you even OWN a racecar for 4 races a year? I really thought the E-Mod class would catch on. It's a good concept that didn't get the support I thought it would. Now we have 2 divisions that look identical, use the same chassis & tires, that can't be raced with each other.

So which one gets canned completely? It can't go on the direction its currently going. Realistically, there are a lot more Open Mods than E-Mods, so expect them to get the shit-can first. Problem there is, nobody can run with Symons & Tucker, so nobody bothers to show up to race against them.

Jim.... when the day comes that you have to park your car, or cough up $25K for a motor, maybe you'll start to think that someone should have done something before your investment in your hobby turns into a dust collecting, un-sellable paperweight.

As long as the focus is all about horsepower over handling, this class will never thrive. When you HAVE TO HAVE $25-30k in your motor, spend $5-600 per night on tires (plus track mandated minimum fuel purchases) and still racing for $500 to win (and what, maybe $50-100 to start)..... it doesn't take an accountant to realize how badly upside down this whole process is.

I'd rather spend a grand or two to get close, rather than $25K, and still get spanked by Symons and Tucker.

Drum roll please,

I agree Jerry, that was a good post. I'll give you credit when credit is due.

[tccaz]

Drum roll please,

I agree Jerry, that was a good post. I'll give you credit when credit is due.

I'll bet that makes his day

[kendo]

. When you HAVE TO HAVE $25-30k in your motor, spend $5-600 per night on tires (plus track mandated minimum fuel purchases) and still racing for $500 to win (and what, maybe $50-100 to start)......

I don't care what you do,you will never get full fields paying a pathetic $500 to win....