Is OSW *done* now...?

[T Mack]

Why wait ? Its cool , Dry and people want to race . Open the gates and lets go .

[katlizy]

At this point, there is not much we can do except wager on the outcome. Lets make a pool with 3 groups: one that says OSW roars back to life in 2014, another that says it gets leased, and the third group that thinks it will go the way of St. Augustine, Ft. Pierce, Hialeah and Palm Beach.

Lets have Katlizy hold the money. I'm in for $10 in the group that says it roars back to life.

I will be happy to hold your money..after i take back the 60 bucks I paid to see u race, since you are of the opinion of why bother for DEC 7th... then I will throw in that says Ozzy will not fix the place, hire someone and then tie their hands.. And next year will suck more than this one....


And hope I am wrong.

we did what we could to help.. Offered free labor, hung signs in our area and attended all races..regardless.. Just to help. I am a little discouraged...

[Frankracing64]

Beer

Mr.PB, don't worry about jumpin my sh#t, we've been having fun and that's what it's all about. We all want the same thing, (for OSW to make a comeback), and I wish I had the resources to do it. I think having a Roller Derby event during intermission would be great. Wonder how fast they could go. No matter what, the crashes would have to be better than ice skating.

[shorttrackcar1]

give us our money back if this sprint race doesn't happen . its called refund for services not rendered. if the race happens fine . if it doesn't then we need all the people who want their money back to meet up some place to go get it back. who here would go buy tickets for a concert or anything else and it get canceled and say oh well. no you would want your money back . so hopefully the race happens .

[Dcpaintingllc]

New gm

Heard butch Carr spanks dad was hired to replace jimbo

[shorttrackcar1]

wasn"T he the race director under jimbo ?

[Don Nerone]

The Carr family have been working at Orlando for 25 years or more. When Butch as a teen he worked on the broom crew. They have had there heart in the speedway.
Buch has been a friend for years and if he does try to run it I hope him the best .
the guy with the split personality has the idea...Start next year with some real plan.


don62

[Jimmy McKinley]

Know what I hope happens? Whoever is in charge, I hope they regroup over the winter, and reopen with a bang in 2014. Not a regular little show either, have a GRAND reopening.

Got my fingers crossed...

I could not agree with you more.

Next year is 2014. They need to *open* the new season after the place gets fixed up over the winter. Maybe run a few "preliminary" "test runs". Then, the first weekend in April, kick off the 2014 season with a HUGE 40th Anniversary season-opener. Sunday afternoon show.

125-lapper for Super Late Models; 75-lapper for Sportsman; bring in TBARA for a 50-lapper; and 30-lappers for "4 cylinder bombers" or whatever the "strictly stock" class is called now. Run the SLM's last, so whatever crowd is there will stick around.

I know no one really pays attention to my opinions, but here goes:

2014 Opening night: 40th Anniversary Season

Super Late Models: 125 laps
Sportsman: 75 laps
TBARA winged Sprint cars: 50 laps
Strictly stocks: twin 30 lap features

Qualifying procedure for SLM: Three heat races. Lineups will be inverted based on practice times; draw for heat number. Feature lineup determined by heat race finish - inverted. However, heat win will pay $125 to win. (Example: eighteen cars show up and all start their heat. Heat #1 winner will start 18th in feature; heat #2 winner will start 17th; heat #3 winner starts 16th; Heat #1 2nd place starts 15th, Heat #2 2nd place starts 14th, etc.)

All other classes: heat race lineups inverted based on practice times, fast cars in back

No practice for Strictly Stock. Heat lineups determined by draw; feature #1 lineup inverted based on heat race finish; feature #2 lineup inverted from feature #1.

Race order:
Strictly stock heat #1
"" #2
(more if needed)
Sportsman heat #1
"" #2
Sprint car Heat #1
"" #2
(more if needed)
SLM heat #1
"" #2
(more if needed)

10 minute Intermission

Strictly stock feature #1
Sportsman Feature
Strictly Stock Feature #2
Sprint car feature
Super Late Model feature - caution laps count up to lap 115; last ten laps must be green.

Pit gate opens at 10:00am
Open practice from 10:00am to 12:30pm
Practice by division from 12:30pm to 1:45pm
Grandstands open at 1:00pm
Pre-race stuff at 1:50pm
Racing heat #1 at 2:00pm sharp
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Take it for what it's worth. What do I know?

[Old Sunshine Fan]

JM.... Now THAT kind of talk get's my attention BIG TIME.... No Qualifying! ! !... heat races (That pay as written)... feature line-ups reverse of heat finishes.... That my friend would be the biggest fan pleaser Florida has seen in years.... My vote is for YOU to run Orlando.... you have the idea's that could turn the Ole Lady around for sure....
If you can't come down and run the place... someone needs to keep a copy of your suggestion (don't touch a thing) and run the opening race as written... then continue that line of thinking... week after week...
That's my story and I'm stickin to it ! ! !..... OSF

P.S. Just re-read JM's post... suggest you add OWM's.... that would be a "Killer of a Show"...

[Racecar37]

Osw

It sounds like a good show but you are leaving out a few classes. What about super stocks - mini stocks -pro late -pro trucks. If you are going to have a real big show then go all out. I would like to see a mini series before speed weeks at NSS in feb. like a week before put up some good money and advertise it for all the lower classes and I bet you could fill the place. Have a 100 lap race with a thousand to win in each class pits would be full of cars. Just adding my 2cents for what it's worth

[Frasson118]

The problem with these plans, is that they take a LOT of money.

Which goes back to the original problem....... there ISN'T any.

[Jimmy McKinley]

JM.... Now THAT kind of talk get's my attention BIG TIME.... No Qualifying! ! !... heat races (That pay as written)... feature line-ups reverse of heat finishes.... That, my friend, would be the biggest fan-pleaser Florida has seen in years.... My vote is for YOU to run Orlando.... you have the idea's that could turn the Ole Lady around for sure.... If you can't come down and run the place... someone needs to keep a copy of your suggestion (don't touch a thing) and run the opening race as written... then continue that line of thinking... week after week...
That's my story and I'm stickin to it ! ! !..... OSF

P.S. Just re-read JM's post... suggest you add OWM's.... that would be a "Killer of a Show"...

Thanks, OSF You know as well as I do, that "fast cars in the back" makes for a MUCH better *show*. Even inverting *six* cars is *nothing*. The "winner" needs to RACE his way through the field - not ride around and hold up everybody on the bottom (or top, or whatever).

It sounds like a good show but you are leaving out a few classes. What about super stocks - mini stocks -pro late -pro trucks. If you are going to have a real big show, then go all out. I would like to see a mini-series before speed weeks at NSS in February, like a week before Speedweeks. Put up some good money, advertise it for all the lower classes, and I bet you could fill the place. Have a 100 lap race with a thousand to win in each class pits would be full of cars. Just adding my 2cents for what it's worth

$1,000 to win a 100-lapper ain't gonna bring many cars - if any. For a (SLM) race of that length, you need to pay at least $3K, and pay back through the field. Last place (in SLM, for a show like that) should at least get double their money (pit/entry fee) back.

A thousand to win *each class*? Nobody (well, I can't really say "nobody", because someone will) will pay $1,000 to win a Super Stock feature (maybe for a special, but not for a weekly).

Four, maybe five classes, maximum. *Maybe* add Modifieds. *Maybe*.

Too many classes of the same type of car (SLM/Pro <crate> LM; Mini Stock/4-cylinder, etc.) will *kill* a show.

The idea - for now, anyways - is to *get people to the track*, first of all. You run a top-level division (SLM), with methanol-burning winged Sprint cars; one or two "mid-level" classes (Sportsman and Modifieds); then a "strictly stock" class, and you have a show that gets done at a decent hour on a Sunday afternoon/evening, so people can get home and go to work on Monday.

For a weekly show: First - we go (either back to) Friday nights, since *every track* in the state seems to *insist* on "competing" for Saturday nights; or, we run late Sunday. Or, better yet, another night during the week. Dare to be different.

Every week, you run SLM, Modifieds (keep it to one class...), Sportsman, and Strictly Stocks.

"Super Stocks" - you wanna run, either move up to Sportsman, or drop down to Strictly Stock. "Super Stocks" no longer exist. :P

"Mini Stocks". Nope. This class has/had become nothing but 4-cylinder Late Models. Tube frames, coilovers, 350 horsepower out of a 4-cylinder (I'm just guessing here...)...Build a Sportsman (put a V-8 or a V-6 in your chassis...) or drop back down to Strictly.

"Pro Late Model". Not at my track.

Once a month, on a rotating basis, you bring in:
Pro Trucks
Winged Sprints
"Street Stock" type Figure 8 cars (not these "supermodified" type things...) (if enough start showing up, run these during your "intermission", feature only, 20 laps)
...and some other "traveling" show (are the Pro-Fours still around?)

Work out a decent pay scale - and quit payin' 1985 payouts.

Race season: March through November. Three big "mid-season" shows: a Monday-night Memorial Day show, with extra-distance features; 4th of July (no matter what night it's on), mid-season double points for all divisions, with fireworks; and Labor Day Monday (same as Memorial Day).

Friday before and Sunday after Governor's Cup: 125-lapper with SLM on Friday (heat races, no time trials), and two support classes; and a 200-lapper on Sunday, SLM only, with time trials setting up heat races (invert lineups), heat-race finish inverts field for 200-lap feature (pit road will be the "X" in the infield).
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See, I got ideas. Just wish I had a chance to implement them. Nobody listens to me...LOLoLOLloLLLOlllLLOOOoooLLLOL

[T Mack]

Best weather of the year are from Nov.-March. Great for afternoon races.

[dd38]

Couple issues here. Have you seen the Sportsman's lately? They are better than the SLM"s we had 10 years ago. Take any, any SLM (Port City, Hamke, Frankie Grill, E.T.C.) and put a stock clip on it (and how long are they going to be around) and 5X5 hubs/stock type spindles, change the tubes in the Quick Change to 5X5, big springs in the back and single piston calipers. That's it when it comes to the car.

Running Qualifying SLM heats is costly for big races (and low budget teams like mine). Stick with time trials because you are gonna have teams that have 1 set of tires just for the qualifying races and then bolt another new set on for the race. At least with time trials you have the cars start the race on the same tires they qualify on. Just have some sort of inversion like the first 5 rows, half the field or full field inversion. Lately the first 5 rows may be the whole field the way the car count has been lately (LOL!!!).


What about having a Big Carnival out there something like the Central Florida Fair here in Orlando a couple times a year and run a week long series of races with different classes every night during the Fair run. Have discounted tickets or incorporate the price into the admission to the Fair, but don't burn the people.

[Don Nerone]

Thanks, OSF You know as well as I do, that "fast cars in the back" makes for a MUCH better *show*. Even inverting *six* cars is *nothing*. The "winner" needs to RACE his way through the field - not ride around and hold up everybody on the bottom (or top, or whatever).



$1,000 to win a 100-lapper ain't gonna bring many cars - if any. For a (SLM) race of that length, you need to pay at least $3K, and pay back through the field. Last place (in SLM, for a show like that) should at least get double their money (pit/entry fee) back.

A thousand to win *each class*? Nobody (well, I can't really say "nobody", because someone will) will pay $1,000 to win a Super Stock feature (maybe for a special, but not for a weekly).

Four, maybe five classes, maximum. *Maybe* add Modifieds. *Maybe*.

Too many classes of the same type of car (SLM/Pro <crate> LM; Mini Stock/4-cylinder, etc.) will *kill* a show.

The idea - for now, anyways - is to *get people to the track*, first of all. You run a top-level division (SLM), with methanol-burning winged Sprint cars; one or two "mid-level" classes (Sportsman and Modifieds); then a "strictly stock" class, and you have a show that gets done at a decent hour on a Sunday afternoon/evening, so people can get home and go to work on Monday.

For a weekly show: First - we go (either back to) Friday nights, since *every track* in the state seems to *insist* on "competing" for Saturday nights; or, we run late Sunday. Or, better yet, another night during the week. Dare to be different.

Every week, you run SLM, Modifieds (keep it to one class...), Sportsman, and Strictly Stocks.

"Super Stocks" - you wanna run, either move up to Sportsman, or drop down to Strictly Stock. "Super Stocks" no longer exist. :P

"Mini Stocks". Nope. This class has/had become nothing but 4-cylinder Late Models. Tube frames, coilovers, 350 horsepower out of a 4-cylinder (I'm just guessing here...)...Build a Sportsman (put a V-8 or a V-6 in your chassis...) or drop back down to Strictly.

"Pro Late Model". Not at my track.

Once a month, on a rotating basis, you bring in:
Pro Trucks
Winged Sprints
"Street Stock" type Figure 8 cars (not these "supermodified" type things...) (if enough start showing up, run these during your "intermission", feature only, 20 laps)
...and some other "traveling" show (are the Pro-Fours still around?)

Work out a decent pay scale - and quit payin' 1985 payouts.

Race season: March through November. Three big "mid-season" shows: a Monday-night Memorial Day show, with extra-distance features; 4th of July (no matter what night it's on), mid-season double points for all divisions, with fireworks; and Labor Day Monday (same as Memorial Day).

Friday before and Sunday after Governor's Cup: 125-lapper with SLM on Friday (heat races, no time trials), and two support classes; and a 200-lapper on Sunday, SLM only, with time trials setting up heat races (invert lineups), heat-race finish inverts field for 200-lap feature (pit road will be the "X" in the infield).
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See, I got ideas. Just wish I had a chance to implement them. Nobody listens to me...LOLoLOLloLLLOlllLLOOOoooLLLOL

Jimmy I get the love for the sport.
I had the same ideas. The difference is I acted on them.
Sold my shop in texas and took all the cash out of my shop in tampa .
Re opened Golden Gate.
A year latter I sold all my income land and building.
The last year I morgaged my house and took all my wifes rings to the pawn shop.
Later I sold the house.
A total dollars in the 7 figs.
Now if you think im stupid ur right.
After that mistake I hade exeperance in track oprating and have had many tracks and jobs running them.
Not all of them have been great but one thing stands out . Money wont fix anything.
You must have a invirment that the racer wants to come to.
So if you want the job.
Sell your house
Quit ur job
Sell the car and boat
Move to Orlando
Walk up to Ozzy and tell him what u gave up to come there and do the job. Bet you get the job.
If u have the want go get it

I had to turn my cans to get gas to go to OSW and work for Herdon.
Bob Harmon started with a Hot Dog stand..