Double file restarts at CCMP

[mr south 59]

He need to keep his nose where it belongs before some puts it there.

[mr south 59]

the pm I sent Todd

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How can someone like that be a moderator

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Todd, The post said MR SOUTH not Todd. There was no need moving hardknocks post. Joe asked me to not use his name so I didn't. I got calls today to please do not respont. This post is about double file restarts. I have contacted hardknocks privatly to decuss the matter and than I will talk to joe before I respond to that subject in public. How do you think you are anyway. It had my name on. Didn't your parents teach you anything.

You had no reason to move that post other than to try and cause trouble. Move it back where it was and I will respond to the post that was directed to ME when I an ready. I am waiting on other parties involved and one of them isn't you.

Thanks
Andrew Dunn

[Todd McCreary]

Are you sure you're not the ANTI-moderator?


hold it. the next man makes a move, the moderator gets it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I#t=02m44s


the pm I sent Todd


good self control you've got there, Mr. Dunn.

you do know that "pm" is short for "private message", yes?

[tccaz]

Pretty soon they will be hollering for single file starts, most of the races seem to start ok, last time I checked they were double file.

[andre]

Somewhere throught history, somebody, somehow came up with ''flag football'' and ''no contact'' hockey games, for special teams, older people, or very young kids, so maybe sooner than we think, we might end up with some kinda ''don't rub me'' short track racing!!!!

The only problem with these not so exciting sports, you won't see the grandstands filling up too fast.....As exciting as curling, or chest games.

But seriously, who, in their right mind, would have thought that one day it would come down to this, ''no double file restarts'', that's one of, if not the most exciting part of the show, start and restarts.

Like Frasson said: hot lap at high speed.

You might as well turn these racing facilities in ''rental for practices'' business only.

[ocalasp76]

Hey Jim H.....good reply, the way it should be, but, you can hear another car? BWAAHHAAAHHHAAA!!!!!!!

WHUUUUT???.

No Benny(aka Harry) read it again please. I said my engine would 'harmonize' when another was close. I can't hear the other 'car',just different sound from my motor.
Good hearing from youse again though. You coming down soon maybe??
-Ge Umm-

[straight up]

whether you have double file restarts or single file your still gonna have passing and crashes . nascar did for over 50 years and we have all seen some terrible crashes and great racing . safety should be your one and only concern . fans dont pay the bills . car counts are at the worst ive ever seen . pretty sad when you have double file restarts with 2 rows of cars most nights ! right now tracks have to do anything possible to rebuild the car counts and fan base . why do all the tracks up north have 30 to 40 cars per class showing up every week ? florida tracks need to change their way of thinking .

[andre]

florida tracks need to change their way of thinking .

You might want to check Speedway Illustrated Jan 2010, there is an article of my home track here in up North Québec, Autodrome Drummond. Anybody that would follow to the letter what this guy did would be successfull, anywhere, even in Fla. When he took over this track, it was dying, now it's packed solid every saturday nights.

[Frasson118]

Mr South59... I apologize for taking your words out of context. I didn't research the earlier quote, and shouldn't have accused you of "blocking".

BUT, the point I was making is still valid. You were still telling your driver where to run on the track. Isn't that the DRIVERS decision, rather than his spotter/father???

Without radios, that wouldn't be possible. Can you give me one single reason that the radio was used as a "safety" measure in this case? It was used to control on-track events... which should be in the drivers hands, not the spotters.

Someone mentioned the idea of "coning off" the lower groove in practice. I think this has great merit to it. If the outside were used then, drivers would get used to running an outside lane (and set the gearing and handling for it), rather than every single car dialing in to the very bottom. THAT'S how it becomes a freight train.

Double file restarts are the way it's been done at countless racetracks, for over 100 years now. Nobody can convince me "it can't be done". And why is it only Florida where it can't be done?

Take a lesson from the NHL. When they first mandated that all players wear helmets, there were plenty of veterans that couldn't stand them. Too bulky, too heavy, impairs my peripheral vision, etc... At the same time, all the Youth Leagues, High School, and College players grew up with wearing them... they never knew any different. Most would probably feel way out of place if they didn't wear a helmet. Eventually, every NHL player got used to the way it was, and the way it's gonna be. They learned to adapt, some of them reluctantly, but it was still the right thing to do.

In racing, if you don't put on a show, you won't have any fans. Without fans, you can't pay decent purses. Without that, you won't get any cars. It's a viscious circle, but it starts with ENTERTAINMENT.

If the drivers can't handle themselves with patience and good sportsmanship (everyone has to learn to be a gracious loser also), they are in the wrong sport. I'd rather finish 10th cleanly, than 5th by plowing thrrough people to get there.

Until racers learn how to RESPECT eachg other out there, you'll always have crashes... and the ones causing all these crashes will get an earfull from the clean guys he just took out. In former days, it would have gotten a quick punch in the mouth. But it's very criminal to punch out a minor, and face it, A LOT of these problem racers are minors (and many of them have Dad yakking in their ear telling them what to do out there).

Double-file restarts are not the problem. Impatient and immature drivers are what cause most of the problems. Don't blame the system, blame the way the drivers handle themselves IN that situation!

[straight up]

EXACTLY ! most of these kids have never even driven a car on the streets in traffic . they dont have a clue how to react in traffic . by the time daddy tells em what to do , three cars are already upside down . im a firm believer if you aint 18 with a valid drivers licence , you dont race , PERIOD !

[Frasson118]

To me, 16 is about the right age. Anything under that is begging for trouble.

In my opinion, no one under 16 should even be ALLOWED in the pits, let alone drive a full-sized racecar.

[mr south 59]

Mr South59... I apologize for taking your words out of context. I didn't research the earlier quote, and shouldn't have accused you of "blocking".

BUT, the point I was making is still valid. You were still telling your driver where to run on the track. Isn't that the DRIVERS decision, rather than his spotter/father???

Thanks for responding and I truely accept your apologize. Thank you

Jerry, I never tell my driver where to run on the track. That is his decision. I just tell him when I think he is not hitting his marks or if I think that there is a better line on the track. If you ever listened to our radios you will here that it is pretty quite and you will here him remind me just who is driving the car. And that is under yellows. You can look up in the spotters town and just tell who is yapping in there drivers ear the entire race and it is not me.

[mr south 59]

Lets don't get off track here. This post had nothing to do with age. Lets focus group. The post is about CCMP double restarts. The two "kids" in the race Sunday were adults anyway. 19 yr olds.

Straight up has alot of valid points in all of his earlier post. They seem to be from a car owners point of veiw not a casual fan. They are two very different points of veiw.

Like I said before. I never saw so many yellows on the first lap after a restart. The restart at lap 75 on Sunday, we ran about 2 laps under yellow and had 4 or 5 restarts to get to lap 76. About 40 minutes. I don't think that is exciting for anyone not to mention the cars that got torn up and won't be able to make it to the next race.

I would like to see the clip of all of the wrecks that Bob said his is going to put on u-tube. I would like to see how many of they were caused from two cars going in side by side the first lap after a restart. At the 12/19/09 race at CCMP there was only one yellow on the first lap after a restart.

[straight up]

amen frasson118 ! and thank you mr south 59 ! over 40 years as a diehard fan , car owner and driver . originally from the northeast but came to florida where the season is longer . and no snow to shovel !

[ronabneysr]

will some one explain to me but did they not start

32 -34 36 cars at golden gate 28 cars or more at son shine mamy times 28 car or more at auburndale 40 cars at west palm fair grounds and at inverness i have seen 30 cars start many a feature

i know ever one has not gone on to greener pastures or the big place in sky or got can't remember ssssssiiiiii thing

i have seen billy gill jack arnold dave scarbourgh wayne ruetimann buzzy ruetimann frank riddle dick pratt leroy porter hamke aldermans ruynon tanner dave mcginnis jim childress purcell i left out probably another hundred drivers that ever one of them can - did and could start dead last and past on out side

what happened no one believes me do you

you think if you start on pole thats it you win right what changed what happened ther never use to be bust the leader in rear shove him out of way or if you are on out side and there is two inches on inside jump to bottom take out five cars

or drive down in corner harder next lap instead of going to out side get inside of your car 3 feet in grass and shove the leader up in front of pack cause you can't get off corner fast enough or scared to go to out side or you are waiting on your spotter to tell you clear on bottom you got two inches get it maybee if there was some racing like back when the stands might be filled up like back like it was then

or will them store bought race cars run on out side as much as they cost they ought to i just hope all the dickie andersons - robert hamkes -and rogero's howes - billy gills jack arnolds i hope there are some of them kind of racers that can start in back and go to front any body can win from pole