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  • #31
    Here is the other side of the coin:

    There will be some cars that meet what some have labeled "restrictive rules" at Citrus.

    If a car is Citrus legal, it appears that it will be less than competitive at other tracks with more open rules. Where do we think they will run?

    And if they run Citrus exclusively, and Citrus continues to pay good money, then the "good" cars will get better.

    And soon enough a hot shoe or two will be building cars "for Citrus rules" to get some of that money--and glory.

    It seems to me that eventually it is all about the money. If there is enough of it for Citrus to potentially weather a medium sized field for a while, and enough of it to keep paying, the racers will come back. From somewhere.

    Meanwhile, Citrus will not have to worry about scheduling over another track, or be concerned about who is or is not coming from "x" speedway. They will have their own field every week. Like tracks did in the 60s.

    In the end it is mostly always about the money.

    All that said, I have not changed my mind about universal rules (as I believe they would help the racers), but hey, they are the owners, and I respect their right to run their deal any way they would like.
    Last edited by OldSchool+; 02-13-2017, 09:28 PM.

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    • #32
      old school

      Originally posted by OldSchool+ View Post
      Here is the other side of the coin:

      There will be some cars that meet what some have labeled "restrictive rules" at Citrus.

      If a car is Citrus legal, it appears that it will be less than competitive at other tracks with more open rules. Where do we think they will run?

      And if they run Citrus exclusively, and Citrus continues to pay good money, then the "good" cars will get better.

      And soon enough a hot shoe or two will be building cars "for Citrus rules" to get some of that money--and glory.

      It seems to me that eventually it is all about the money. If there is enough of it for Citrus to potentially weather a medium sized field for a while, and enough of it to keep paying, the racers will come back. From somewhere.

      Meanwhile, Citrus will not have to worry about scheduling over another track, or be concerned about who is or is not coming from "x" speedway. They will have their own field every week. Like tracks did in the 60s.

      In the end it is mostly always about the money.

      All that said, I have not changed my mind about universal rules (as I believe they would help the racers), but hey, they are the owners, and I respect their right to run their deal any way they would like.
      Indeed it is their sandbox...............But most racers will not settle for a 6 race series. I personally wouldn't want to be crowned champion of a 6 race season. I failed to point out that they are the only track on the west coast that decided to run the grooved tires again.

      As far as Citrus only cars......yea there's a few that I know of. And when it comes to payout. Well Yoho set the precedence with that and he plans to keep up while staying on the same tire with 16 scheduled modified races. The only local track that has a true modified season......Sorry Citrus YOHO will destroy you on car count this year for the mod class. Get your heads out of your asses.

      Realize that the new rules you have implemented are made up bull crap. Read your own rules .......hell read ShowTime's rules......after all they are the old Citrus rules that were adopted by Showtime......
      Doug Miller # 53

      2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
      2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
      2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
      2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
      2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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      • #33
        ??????????

        [QUOTE=openwm53;173525]
        Originally posted by OldSchool+ View Post

        3. They will no longer let you weld your ball joints in the lower control arm. We do this for two things. One being clearance and the other being able to screw a new one in a weld in insert so that it can be quickly fixed at the track.
        I just re-read the OWM rules, twice, and there is no mention of the lower ball joint being welded not being allow. Must be in the stock location is all that is said. Please show where you saw this in the rules.
        -JIM-
        RIP Jack Smith and Kim Brown. Many thanks for all you have done for our sport.

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        • #34
          [QUOTE=ocalasp76;173557]
          Originally posted by openwm53 View Post

          I just re-read the OWM rules, twice, and there is no mention of the lower ball joint being welded not being allow. Must be in the stock location is all that is said. Please show where you saw this in the rules.
          -JIM-
          My point exactly....................Call Robert Ray or Cameron ray
          Doug Miller # 53

          2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
          2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
          2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
          2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
          2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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          • #35
            Jim.

            No grinding or cutting. Try and put a Howe replaceable ball joint in without doing this.
            Doug Miller # 53

            2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
            2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
            2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
            2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
            2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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            • #36
              "I personally wouldn't want to be crowned champion of a 6 race season."--OWM53

              I can understand that.

              But to some that may look better than following the #53, #7, Wayne Jefferson, etc. most every week.

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              • #37
                I'm not sure there's a specific number of events that can be classified as a championship season. The World Series only has 7. One way i can think of to ensure a championship season longer than 6 races is to show up at each event and race. If the track sees a great turnout, they would likely extend the number of races, and everyone, from fan to racer would benefit.
                As these things often do in auto racing, i'm sure everything will work out in the end. The racers came to Citrus County Speedway because of the brand new racing surface, the incredible pit area, and the big payouts. Some cars were caught out in tech and some racers vowed to never go back there. But most racers realize it's a damn nice place to race and the payouts are better than any other short track in the state. So most will race at Citrus.
                Citrus and Showtime have it going on at the moment, 4-17 Speedway is doing a good job. Between the 3 tracks, i think you'll see some cooperation over time.
                Last edited by Renegade Racing Fuels; 02-14-2017, 11:59 AM.
                Renegade Racing Fuels of Florida/Palmdale Oil Company

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                • #38
                  Old School

                  Originally posted by OldSchool+ View Post
                  "I personally wouldn't want to be crowned champion of a 6 race season."--OWM53

                  I can understand that.

                  But to some that may look better than following the #53, #7, Wayne Jefferson, etc. most every week.
                  Your too kind.............I have been a field filler as of late. But just went round 3 with the Howe car and the Cope car is now getting attention.
                  Doug Miller # 53

                  2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
                  2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                  2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                  2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
                  2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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                  • #39
                    Renegade

                    Originally posted by Renegade Racing Fuels View Post
                    I'm not sure there's a specific number of events that can be classified as a championship season. The World Series only has 7. One way i can think of to ensure a championship season longer than 6 races is to show up at each event and race. If the track sees a great turnout, they would likely extend the number of races, and everyone, from fan to racer would benefit.
                    As these things often do in auto racing, i'm sure everything will work out in the end. The racers came to Citrus County Speedway because of the brand new racing surface, the incredible pit area, and the big payouts. Some cars were caught out in tech and some racers vowed to never go back there. But most racers realize it's a damn nice place to race and the payouts are better than any other short track in the state. So most will race at Citrus.
                    Citrus and Showtime have it going on at the moment, 4-17 Speedway is doing a good job. Between the 3 tracks, i think you'll see some cooperation over time.
                    You have to acknowledge that their are other tracks......citrus does not have the best payout. unless they upped the ante this year.

                    417, Desoto and A-dale have adopted a set of rules and are running a series on American racer slicks

                    I love Citrus , I spent many years there and lots of hard earned money. I am in no position to change my car for them. I run a steering quickner and a 16 to 1 box which equals 10.5 to 1 final ratio. A 10 to 1 Box is dam near $1400

                    Does anyone on here think that a quickner is a performance advantage ?
                    Doug Miller # 53

                    2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
                    2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                    2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                    2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
                    2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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                    • #40
                      I acknowledged 2 other tracks Doug, Showtime and 4-17.
                      I hadn't heard that the steering quickener was illegal at Citrus because of performance advantage.
                      Citrus will continue just fine, so will a couple of the other tracks. And maybe Citrus will work with Showtime ( and vice versa ) to present good shows for the fans.
                      Hope you have a good season where ever you decide to race.
                      Renegade Racing Fuels of Florida/Palmdale Oil Company

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                      • #41
                        Renegade

                        No real reason needed. My team would like to be able to go to many different tracks and affordably race. The key word affordably. I know racing isn't cheap but I've said this way too many times on here.


                        One type of tires
                        One set of rules for every class
                        Racers and tracks win

                        Fans want to see 20 car fields not 6 to 8 car shows.

                        Thank you for the discussion
                        Doug Miller # 53

                        2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
                        2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                        2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                        2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
                        2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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                        • #42
                          I agree completely about 1 set of rules. The only question is, which set of rules?
                          I also think one type of tire is great. But which one?
                          One race fuel would great too. I already know which one it should be.
                          Renegade Racing Fuels of Florida/Palmdale Oil Company

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                          • #43
                            The only question is, which set of rules?

                            I would go with the rules that the track with the highest car count has.

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