pavement- we are down to 5 tracks

[OldSchool+]

Remember, Bobby, he is addressing you...(and hey, thx for all you do and for reaching out for ideas).

I am not whining. Chuck, you whining?

I am thankful.

[jacko241]

Phil, you may have good intentions and think you are trying to help Florida race tracks, but you are coming across to me as bitter and angry toward them, and I believe alienating folks on here and probably at the tracks. JMHO.

[scottgarrity07]

Scott--My admitted guess--dirt cars, especially the support classes, are cheaper, hence more of them to go around.

And the dirt eating fans are generally hard core race fans.

BTW, I prefer asphalt, but will go to dirt if that is the only choice.

Yup that's it. The 83 Monte Carlos miraculously become cheaper on dirt! That's why we fail and they succeed! Duh. How could I be so dumb? Talked to Bobby Diehl the other day. Despite the prevailing attitude at least HE gets it's not all about money. While the drain circles at least I have Desoto and NSS to go run. Hopefully they stay afloat until I'm ready to hang up my helmet. I'm out on this topic. Hopefully some track operators see the concerns here in this thread and take it to heart.

[Phil Jacques]

Phil, you may have good intentions and think you are trying to help Florida race tracks, but you are coming across to me as bitter and angry toward them, and I believe alienating folks on here and probably at the tracks. JMHO.

You seem to forget that I did not start out bitter and angry

I'm out too. Do what you want. I'll send a post card with pictures of racecars when you all forget what they look like.

[kendo]

So we make all these excuses for why asphalt circle track racing is failing here. I wish I'd like to be a dirt track racer. Because, you know, when you turn onto the access road to the dirt track the money in your pocket grows, your car gets cheaper, the fans don't have as many entertainment options somehow, the youth want to be involved and are engaged by cars again miraculously and racing doesn't seem to have any of the other problems that us asphalt folks have! There must be magic dust in that dirt or the access road is "the yellow brick road" covered in dirt!

I think it was FRASSION who said it best,"for every guy running asphalt there are 5 guys running dirt trying to be the next Buzzie Ruetimann"

[kendo]

I'm out too. Do what you want. I'll send a post card with pictures of racecars when you all forget what they look like.

Do you have 1 from Thunder Mountain,a little track just north of Binghamton NY?

They had 122 cars in the pits Saturday night

[Phil Jacques]

I think it was FRASSION who said it best,"for every guy running asphalt there are 5 guys running dirt trying to be the next Buzzie Ruetimann"

You know what... Hey Scott, let's build dirt cars... These asphalt guys don't get it but the dirt guys seem to!

[Phil Jacques]

Do you have 1 from Thunder Mountain,a little track just north of Binghamton NY?

They had 122 cars in the pits Saturday night

Haha You know, I've heard a bunch about that place but because of how busy I have been, haven't gotten to visit anywhere but Fonda, Albany and Lebanon for Dirt Tracks... I'll have to make it a point to get up there this year.

[Weftracing96]

Phil, you may have good intentions and think you are trying to help Florida race tracks, but you are coming across to me as bitter and angry toward them, and I believe alienating folks on here and probably at the tracks. JMHO.

Joe, you may be right with your above statement. But he didn't start out like that. I have watched him be driven to that. We can easily turn it into north vs south, but it is really what works and what doesn't. There are many things from up north that would benefit FL racing. Not everything will work simply bc there isn't a collective will. But I am sort of with Phil on this one. It's often like talking to a wall.

[OldSchool+]

.....by who?

[UREZ2PASS]

I went to a dirt track in the Deep South recently. 4 classes and a car count of 150 or so. They had to race their way into the show. The two tracks in the area (50 miles apart) do not race on the same nights. They alternate Saturday nights. The cars averaged local to 150 miles away.

What was interesting. The track announcer was promoting the following weeks race at the other track which is owned by a different group.

As far as Florida, simply look at the results at the tracks and you will see that very few travel away from home. Is it because of the rules or weekly racing. Would they travel if the closest track was not running that weekend ?

Phil is a Yankee, I get that. However, if you read through countless post, you will see that he makes a few valid points.

Florida sucks
Rules need to be aligned
Tracks need to work together

Everything else is either blowing Scotty or elder abuse. LOL !

[OldSchool+]

Given the choices, I guess I should be thankful for the abuse.

[Phil Jacques]

I went to a dirt track in the Deep South recently. 4 classes and a car count of 150 or so. They had to race their way into the show. The two tracks in the area (50 miles apart) do not race on the same nights. They alternate Saturday nights. The cars averaged local to 150 miles away.

What was interesting. The track announcer was promoting the following weeks race at the other track which is owned by a different group.

As far as Florida, simply look at the results at the tracks and you will see that very few travel away from home. Is it because of the rules or weekly racing. Would they travel if the closest track was not running that weekend ?

Phil is a Yankee, I get that. However, if you read through countless post, you will see that he makes a few valid points.

Florida sucks
Rules need to be aligned
Tracks need to work together

Everything else is either blowing Scotty or elder abuse. LOL !

lol I have never once said FL sucks... I love FL more than here honestly... The hard headed we don't need to change cause everything is working mentality held by many, is what sucks. Because... Nothing there really is working well and things definitely need to change and need help.

As for blowing Scott, I don't think we should be airing that out in public. But it is what it is lol Sorry Scott!

[kendo]

The hard headed we don't need to change cause everything is working mentality held by many, is what sucks. !

Often mistaken for the laid back slower pace mentality and way of life that southerners enjoy,and northerners have a hard time adjusting to and coming to grips with....Although maybe not the perfect approach for a successful business model,as we say down here "It is what it is"

[Phil Jacques]

Often mistaken for the laid back slower pace mentality and way of life that southerners enjoy,and northerners have a hard time adjusting to and coming to grips with....Although maybe not the perfect approach for a successful business model,as we say down here "It is what it is"

Honestly, ask Scott, I am one of the most laid back straight shooting people you are going to ever meet. I am friendly to everyone BUT I have an extremely low tolerance for ignorance and bs... A lot of what is posted here triggers that lack of tolerance. I make no excuses. I say exactly what is on my mind. No filter. Too many people in this world sugar coat stuff. There is no point. Tell it how it is because indeed it is what it is, not what you turn it into.