pavement- we are down to 5 tracks

[OldSchool+]

Actually it is like the jamoche in the back of the bus that smells smoke, but does not speak the same language as the driver.

You can bail out the back door, or you can stay on the bus hoping it stops smoking and/or makes it to your destination, but you ain't getting the wheel bearing/rod knock fixed by yappin'.

What is that there definition of insanity again?

Oh, and, I figure your tracks are about 10 years behind us. I would suggest enjoying them.

ps--There is nothing to say this is not the bottom and there won't be more tracks in 10 years, after all, St Pete makes it five, not four.

[Phil Jacques]

Actually it is like the jamoche in the back of the bus that smells smoke, but does not speak the same language as the driver.

You can bail out the back door, or you can stay on the bus hoping it stops smoking and/or makes it to your destination, but you ain't getting the wheel bearing/rod knock fixed by yappin'.

What is that there definition of insanity again?

Oh, and, I figure your tracks are about 10 years behind us. I would suggest enjoying them.

ps--There is nothing to say this is not the bottom and there will be more tracks in 10 years.

The only "yappin" is your jaw flappin with justification of why your failure is acceptable. Like I said, I could give two shits if FL falls on it's face and fails. I'll just stay here and enjoy racing for more than 15 fans and against more than 5 cars.

Our tracks 10 years behind you? You're kidding right? We have owners and promoters that understand that this is a a sport that requires both sides to survive in this day and age. We are more like 50 years ahead of you. A number of us now are saying the same thing yet you still argue us. The definition of insanity is an OldFool who just keeps thinking it's still 1975 and thinking what worked then will work now.

ps... FACTS say that this is the bottom and you are nearing the end if something doesnt change. There will never be more tracks in FL or any part of the country. The sport in general is bleeding to death. We found a way to stop the bleeding here and if this bunch of yankee liberal idiots up here can do it, you guys sure as hell can.

[Weftracing96]

I spoke with Billy Bigley briefly about how it's dying. He was quick to point out it's still strong in certain areas. I think the northeast is a good example for all the reasons Phil points out.

[Phil Jacques]

A good point that was just made to me that I need to point out... Cooperation is FREE... The only thing working together will do, is help FL racing. Be it between tracks, or drivers and tracks, or both. Working together is the key to survival. How do I know? That's how 99% of the racing communities in this country with multiple tracks in close proximity, operate. If you step on each others toes, it will only hurt you. Like NSS and Showtime running SLM on the same night... What good will ever come of that? It hurt both tracks.

[OldSchool+]

Who is arguing? I am the choir, choir boy.

I agree with you, and do what I can to support track alignment/cost reduction efforts. I supported Scott's tar, and have made many other apparently unheeded suggestions. And fair enough, am here to offer ideas, period, not expect results.

As has been mentioned previously, NSS is not interested, they are set and happy, and Robert is also not interested and has it going on, Bithlo is out and 3 Palms and Citrus are trying to figure out their next move. I made a suggestion to Mr. Laplant this morning.

Nor am I pertinent, not Florida, not Don Nerone, not David Rodgers...

That leaves Mr. Diehl in Desoto. Perhaps you should address him privately or by name if you are talking about the only Promoter that has stated that they are interested in outside input.

Speaking of foolish, temper tantrums and insults qualify, don't you think?

[OldSchool+]

ps--I am not privvy to the details, but the problems at the tracks that are currently listed above as done or on life support appear to be in at least part due to lack of initial investment capital and/or other regrettable choices, NOT a lack of cooperation with other tracks.

And I am still pulling for them to recover fully.

[Phil Jacques]

Who is arguing? I am the choir, choir boy.

I agree with you, and do what I can to support track alignment/cost reduction efforts. I supported Scott's tar, and have made many other apparently unheeded ideas. And fair enough, am here to offer ideas, period, not expect results.

As has been mentioned previously, NSS is not interested, they are set and happy, and Robert is also not interested and has it going on, Bithlo is out and 3 Palms and Citrus are trying to figure out their next move. I made a suggestion to Mr. Laplant this morning.

Nor am I pertinent, not Florida, not Don Nerone, not David Rodgers...

That leaves Mr. Diehl in Desoto. Perhaps you should address him privately or by name if you are talking about the only Promoter that has stated that they are interested in outside input.

Speaking of foolish, temper tantrums and insults qualify, don't you think?

I'm sorry that you so easily get butthurt, you need thicker skin. Pot - kettle - black ... You come up with names for me... MY TURN! Don't like it? Too bad so sad. Do I cry when you make up names for me? Nah...

Oh and almost every track you have mentioned above, I have spoken to except Yoho... And I have reached out to him (though I expect nothing) The others reached out to me... Amazing huh? I guess I am not such a dumbass.


Tick Tock...

[Phil Jacques]

ps--I am not privvy to the details, but the problems at the tracks that are currently listed above as done or on life support appear to be in at least part due to lack of initial investment capital and/or other regrettable choices, NOT a lack of cooperation with other tracks.

And I am still pulling for them to recover fully.

There is more than one track listed above in financial distress...

[ChuckRhodes21]

Well Phil it looks like you need to come down here and be the governing body of short track racing in Florida. Us idiots down here have no clue how to do anything right and we need you smart sophisticated rich northerners to come save us like you did back in the early years when we were just relaxing on the beach which we were able to drive on at the time. But we were doing it wrong as you northerners pointed out. Now you can't even park near the beach without a payment, if you can get to the beach. So please, COME SAVE US!

[scottgarrity07]

I think the reason why these tracks owners don't care when the others fail is the flawed thinking that they are becoming bigger fish in a smaller pond. Well guys like me that travel to race and guys like OS who do the same to watch are the exception, not the rule. That pond is drying up and with every track that dies asphalt circle track racing around here becomes less and less relevant. Your product has less value, not more. No one responded to my post. Why is dirt healthy then? Everything is essentially the same except for the surface (good on tires yes, but hard on fans). How come Yoho can start up a dead track and be successful? How could the once horrible Speedbowl rise from the ashes? How did Bubba take a floundering asphalt track from struggling to one of the best dirt tracks in the state (He runs Fri btw)? I share Phil's frustration because it can be turned around and while not to the same success but not with just money either.

[OldSchool+]

Here is a tip from a Southerner (actually born up north, but never mind that ...) to a Northerner.

If you would like to be taken seriously, perhaps consider deleting "Butthurt" from your vocabulary.

It's free, it's a help, we will see if it is adopted. Because, of course, we are all willing to take on new ideas, I am sure.

[OldSchool+]

Scott--My admitted guess--dirt cars, especially the support classes, are cheaper, hence more of them to go around.

And the dirt eating fans are generally hard core race fans.

BTW, I prefer asphalt, but will go to dirt if that is the only choice.

[OldSchool+]

Chuck

Not that I have anything against Phil, I like his passion--and for that matter, most of his suggestions. It is just...neither here nor there.

I have suggested coming down with money, or even sending some down, or bringing down wealthy investors for tracks, but so far all we have is what "we" (and remember, Bobby, that means you, lol) ought to do.

[Phil Jacques]

Well Phil it looks like you need to come down here and be the governing body of short track racing in Florida. Us idiots down here have no clue how to do anything right and we need you smart sophisticated rich northerners to come save us like you did back in the early years when we were just relaxing on the beach which we were able to drive on at the time. But we were doing it wrong as you northerners pointed out. Now you can't even park near the beach without a payment, if you can get to the beach. So please, COME SAVE US!

I am no different than you guys Chuck, I have lived in both places and watched it all first hand. You guys bitch and whine and cry that there are no cars and no fans, yet when it's pointed out what is being done wrong, and ways you can adjust things to fix it, you get all argumentative and tell us you don't need help that everything is just fine. I would rather own a track in an area where it's appreciated and the community is like family. That's not FL.

[Phil Jacques]

Chuck

Not that I have anything against Phil, I like his passion--and for that matter, most of his suggestions. It is just...neither here nor there.

I have suggested coming down with money, or even sending some down, or bringing down wealthy investors for tracks, but so far all we have is what "we" ought to do.

All the mentioned fixes cost you NOTHING! It's called hard work and doing your job. Cooperation is a key factor in our success.