Desoto Super Race

[OldSchool+]

Phil, I don't drink. I did not "quit" due to "problems", I just stopped a while back (got to where I didn't want to deal with the day after).

I am just naturally a basket case.

You all will have to deal with it rather than ignore the content of my eloquent posts and blame it on drankin' as opposed to responding intelligently.

Thanks for your concern, though.

[Phil Jacques]

Phil, I don't drink. I did not "quit" due to "problems", I just stopped a while back (got to old to deal with the day after).

I am just naturally a basket case.

You all will have to deal with it rather than ignore the content of my eloquent posts and blame it on drankin' as opposed to responding intelligently.

Thanks for your concern, though.

I see, you can dish it but can't take it... Noted

[OldSchool+]

Am not sure we all don't qualify for that to some extent.

But you are still "The Man" in my book. Let me know if I ever cross the line re: your feelings.

Peanut Gallery: NO, WE AIN'T GETTING A ROOM!

[scottgarrity07]

Am glad Dutilly responded.

That, suspensions and no ride are all that will change the outlook.

There have always been guys like that. As long as there are car owners that will fix the car and track owners that let them come, there always will be.

But I will tell you, I HAVE SEEN FAR MORE TRACK CALLS ERRING ON THE SIDE OF "CLEAN RACING" THAT HAVE CAUSED THE SHOW TO LOOK LIKE A POWDERPUFF DERBY THAN THE OTHER DIRECTION...

Ironically, Auburndale comes to mind. One groove track. Get under a guy, he knocks you in the infield, he gets his spot back, you are lucky if all you get is sent to the rear.

Careful whatcha wish for and all that.

I wish for everyone to race everyone as they wish to be raced themselves and when they don't that the officials have the balls to make the right call. I TRY to race everyone clean. I came from a place where that wasn't the norm. Watching Patrick Thomas after I moved here taught me the RIGHT WAY to get it done in FL. However, nothing pisses me off more than being patient and finally getting under a car and having them chop you. Being sent to the rear is no deterrence for me, I will flat out dump you for that. You cited one of the many reasons I don't go Auburndale. However, nothing makes racing more "not affordable" than anything are antics like Scofield pulls. I hate working on my car to fix what stupidity has caused instead of working on it to make it faster. Without "control" there is "chaos". You're not one of those that goes to see the wrecks are you OS? Lol.

[OldSchool+]

Scott,

Of course not. Am not sure everybody but me is not drinking today...

But here is the deal. Excepting the Scofield discussion, if someone is "under" you to the door, it is their spot. You "cut down"--your bad (as you mention).

Conversely speaking, they clip your quarter from the wheel back--their bad.

That leaves about two feet of real estate moving and changing at 80+ mph between those two points to fight over/about, and disagreements are inevitable.

It's just...most of the time the officials get involved it is the wrong call, IMO.

BUT, that is one thing about Showtime, regardless, it is quick, and quicker if they don't comply. Keeps the show moving.

[scottgarrity07]

Scott,

Of course not. Am not sure everybody but me is not drinking today...

But here is the deal. Excepting the Scofield discussion, if someone is "under" you to the door, it is their spot. You "cut down"--your bad (as you mention).

Conversely speaking, they clip your quarter from the wheel back--their bad.

That leaves about two feet of real estate moving and changing at 80+ mph between those two points to fight over/about, and disagreements are inevitable.

It's just...most of the time the officials get involved it is the wrong call, IMO.

BUT, that is one thing about Showtime, regardless, it is quick, and quicker if they don't comply. Keeps the show moving.

I'm not sure what you're proposing as a solution. Everytime contact is made and someone goes spinning some kind of call has to be made. Whether you decide it was just racing and do nothing or assign blame a call still is being made. Look, I understand officials are human and make mistakes but to let everything go would be anarchy and to send all cars involved to the rear is chicken sh*t officiating. BTW, no SUDS on the job, ever....

[OldSchool+]

"I'm not sure what you're proposing as a solution. Everytime contact is made and someone goes spinning some kind of call has to be made. Whether you decide it was just racing and do nothing or assign blame a call still is being made. Look, I understand officials are human and make mistakes but to let everything go would be anarchy and to send all cars involved to the rear is chicken sh*t officiating. BTW, no SUDS on the job, ever...."--SG

re: work, offhand comment, forget it.

I agree with all that you typed. Like me, no solution, though...don't know if there is a solution.

The only "right" way to do it is for someone that is saavy make the calls and that is that.

In the case of St Pete, that is Yoho, and even he only nails it part of the time.

I could make the calls (lol) but they ain't askin'!

[Phil Jacques]

Scott, often times I have notice the officials have a tendency to let stuff slide or give extra leeway in fear of damaging relationships. Being an official is a difficult job and unfortunately it seems very difficult to have a completely unbiased officiating crew, which imo is really what is needed to make correct calls 99% of the time. Other times, I have personally listened over the radio to "higher up" officials telling corner works to let something slide which is also no bueno... If you have done wrong, it's plain and simple. My .02

[scottgarrity07]

To me the solution, as a racer, is simple. It's one of those things that help you decide where to race. Do they at least try to make the call, without copping out and do it fairly regardless of who's involved? That's where I want to race. For the record, I can't remember a call made at Desoto or NSS that comes to mind that I have disagreed with. I'm sure they've screwed the pooch at some point, I just haven't witnessed it.

[OldSchool+]

And so it goes.

Curious though, that the dissent came between tracks...

Or maybe not so curious.

Whaddaya think, Jacques?

[scottgarrity07]

Screw what Yankee Phil thinks. I run at these places! LOL.

I think it simply boils down to what each track needs. Desoto needs to show it's competitors "we care about fairness and we're not going to tolerate this kind of recklessness" and NSS is saying "this is our series and we will say who can and can't play in our sandbox". Jeff didn't flip out at a Brighthouse race or pull this at NSS (Fontaine neither). The Brighthouse series needs cars as NSS needs weekly Supers too. Both are looking out for their best interest. You were right OS, in your previous post. A true autonomous sanctioning body would make the call and it's tough ta-ta's if you don't agree. I just hope Desoto and NSS will still work together in light of this.

[Phil Jacques]

Screw what Yankee Phil thinks. I run at these places! LOL.

I think it simply boils down to what each track needs. Desoto needs to show it's competitors "we care about fairness and we're not going to tolerate this kind of recklessness" and NSS is saying "this is our series and we will say who can and can't play in our sandbox". Jeff didn't flip out at a Brighthouse race or pull this at NSS (Fontaine neither). The Brighthouse series needs cars as NSS needs weekly Supers too. Both are looking out for their best interest. You were right OS, in your previous post. A true autonomous sanctioning body would make the call and it's tough ta-ta's if you don't agree. I just hope Desoto and NSS will still work together in light of this.

Hey, it's still a universal deal across the entire WORLD of racing lol I do agree though, if they at least TRY to make a call to me that goes a long way. Nobody is perfect, but putting in the effort is key

[OldSchool+]

"I think it simply boils down to what each track needs. Desoto needs to show it's competitors "we care about fairness and we're not going to tolerate this kind of recklessness" and NSS is saying "this is our series and we will say who can and can't play in our sandbox". Jeff didn't flip out at a Brighthouse race or pull this at NSS (Fontaine neither). The Brighthouse series needs cars as NSS needs weekly Supers too. Both are looking out for their best interest. You were right OS, in your previous post. A true autonomous sanctioning body would make the call and it's tough ta-ta's if you don't agree. I just hope Desoto and NSS will still work together in light of this."--ScottG

Agreed, all the way around. But the net result (pulling "Brighthouse" points from Desoto) simultaneously seems cheesy...

As Phil says just another episode of "As the Racing World Turns" (or is it, As the Turd Whirls??)

[scottgarrity07]

Not so much a cheesy act as a necessary evil. It was either maintain the status quo or pull the sanctioning from DeSoto and retain Scofield and Fontaine as competitors. It's about the late model car count.

[Old Sunshine Fan]

Phew, glad everyone settled it....now "Lets go racing boys"...OSF