Spec Engine Parts List

[fred23]

Rowdy is right.....the Spec motor is there so MORE racers can be competitive, at least in the HP area....Anyone can build the SSPE, 9 to 1 or flat top motor if they choose. When it was introduced, I believe by ole Don, to be competitive in SLM you had to spend $35k to $40K on a motor to have a chance. A lot of the CUP technology was filtering down to short track racing and the HP had gotten to 600hp and even a little above. At the time there was some controversy on who could build the Spec motor and who couldn't. But that is all irrelevant now. If I am not mistaken, (I am sure I will be corrected if I am), you could buy the spec motor out of someone else's car for the cost of a new one if you thought it was cheated up or better than yours. Most racers loved it. You could get 600hp and a very reliable motor for 16K and, at the time, compete with the $35k motors. No one cared what was in it because it worked.
SLM racing is not for small budgets anymore.....can you show up and ride around mid pack, of course you can but again, as Rowdy pointed out, you are racing against Cup technology. That is what has made most guys park or sell their cars. Not having to buy tires or fuel, or not knowing what is in a Spec motor.

[exnyer]

Here is the link to the SPEC parts list

From the old FAST series:



http://web.archive.org/web/201110101...ifications.pdf

[mr south 59]

^^^Somebody has to much time on their hands. ^^^



Hey guys. From what I can remember the program started out as "S.E.A.L.". "The Sealed. Engine. Alliance. Leader.". I got a sticker from them with it on it. I don't think it was Ricky Brooks that started it. From what I remember it was the guy that ran CRA. I think his name was R.J. Scott. McGunigul and Hamner I believe to be the first builders to joint the alliance back then.

I do not remember the motors to be de-tuned 400's. I'm not sure about the Fords. But from what I remember about the Chevrolets, they were 350 blocks, stroker crank, high compression aluminum "?" heads, with the big 750cfm carburetor. I think they had about 25 more cubic inch on the 350ci

The 9 to 1 is just that. It's a 350ci. low compression 9 to 1, small 390cfm carburetor. Put the two combos together they work out pretty equal.

Now I don't think the Seal program specs are that big of a secret. I'm no engine guy but I have seen them before. I think I got a circle track magazine with most of the specs in it. I don't think circle track magazine is top secret. When ASA had a sealed engine program the engine builders had to put up a $50,000 bond to join the program.

I'm not sure if that $ is the case with the program I mentioned above but that may be why Florida engine builders started their own "spec" engine program in Florida. I believe the parts list are the same thing for Florida builders as they are for the seal program builders. If not they are very close.

[Old Racer]

cost

So break each cost down by engine and show ci hp tq

[exnyer]

Thanks Google

That took 5 minutes to find thanks to google!

^^^Somebody has to much time on their hands. ^^^



Hey guys. From what I can remember the program started out as "S.E.A.L.". "The Sealed. Engine. Alliance. Leader.". I got a sticker from them with it on it. I don't think it was Ricky Brooks that started it. From what I remember it was the guy that ran CRA. I think his name was R.J. Scott. McGunigul and Hamner I believe to be the first builders to joint the alliance back then.

I do not remember the motors to be de-tuned 400's. I'm not sure about the Fords. But from what I remember about the Chevrolets, they were 350 blocks, stroker crank, high compression aluminum "?" heads, with the big 750cfm carburetor. I think they had about 25 more cubic inch on the 350ci

The 9 to 1 is just that. It's a 350ci. low compression 9 to 1, small 390cfm carburetor. Put the two combos together they work out pretty equal.

Now I don't think the Seal program specs are that big of a secret. I'm no engine guy but I have seen them before. I think I got a circle track magazine with most of the specs in it. I don't think circle track magazine is top secret. When ASA had a sealed engine program the engine builders had to put up a $50,000 bond to join the program.

I'm not sure if that $ is the case with the program I mentioned above but that may be why Florida engine builders started their own "spec" engine program in Florida. I believe the parts list are the same thing for Florida builders as they are for the seal program builders. If not they are very close.

[OldSchool+]

Congrats to exnyer!

First to the line with the info for Old Racer.

Sounds like it may or may not be legal to build one yourself, though...

[RowdyBloomquist]

So break each cost down by engine and show ci hp tq

This is almost a ridulous request because there are waaayyyy too many variables with each combo other than the SPEC.

[scottgarrity07]

No wonder the fields are light. Let's see, I have $15k I could pay down my mortgage with, but I want to build a new motor for my late model. What is the best choice?

I believe I would buy a Sportsman Crate motor and pay down $10k on the house.

So, what would you do with the other $1750.00??? Sportsman Crate from Jeg's is $ 3250 delivered to your door.

[RowdyBloomquist]

Rowdy is right.....the Spec motor is there so MORE racers can be competitive, at least in the HP area....Anyone can build the SSPE, 9 to 1 or flat top motor if they choose. When it was introduced, I believe by ole Don, to be competitive in SLM you had to spend $35k to $40K on a motor to have a chance. A lot of the CUP technology was filtering down to short track racing and the HP had gotten to 600hp and even a little above. At the time there was some controversy on who could build the Spec motor and who couldn't. But that is all irrelevant now. If I am not mistaken, (I am sure I will be corrected if I am), you could buy the spec motor out of someone else's car for the cost of a new one if you thought it was cheated up or better than yours. Most racers loved it. You could get 600hp and a very reliable motor for 16K and, at the time, compete with the $35k motors. No one cared what was in it because it worked.
SLM racing is not for small budgets anymore.....can you show up and ride around mid pack, of course you can but again, as Rowdy pointed out, you are racing against Cup technology. That is what has made most guys park or sell their cars. Not having to buy tires or fuel, or not knowing what is in a Spec motor.

AMEN....

It seems most people are wrapping their minds around the wrong "problem."

When you have thousands of dollars tied up in shocks and bump stops, a $6k transmission, and race against guys that have pull down rigs and wind tunnels, worrying about what is in a $17k spec motor is the least of the problem.

Unless you are going to New Smyrna or some other track 1/2 mile or larger, everyone is running restrictors anyway killing the HP. Huge HP motors aren't as sought after as they used to be. I've seen plenty of crate motors outrun supers at places like Auburndale, Desoto, Hickory, Citrus etc...

Math: 4 corners > 2 straightaways....momentum

[OldSchool+]

"So, what would you do with the other $1750.00???"--SGarrity

SUDS point fund, of course!

[OldSchool+]

"So break each cost down by engine and show ci hp tq"--Old Racer

"This is almost a ridulous request because there are waaayyyy too many variables with each combo other than the SPEC."--Blooooooomquist

Is it?

I don't know if Old Racer hit the lottery or inherited a bunch of coin, or is a lifelong racer moving up...But, assuming either he or a similar racer (Daddy Bigbux starting junior out to be a Cup Driver--he thinks--for instance) was wanting to get into the game, a Motor Decision will have to be made.

$$/Power seems like a reasonable question.

Of course, on the forum here, most of us don't know the answer, engine builders will favor whichever one they are building, and competitors will steer you in the wrong direction...

[scottgarrity07]

"So, what would you do with the other $1750.00???"--SGarrity

SUDS point fund, of course!

That would buy a lot of SUDS!!!!!

[MJM10]

It must be a pretty good program as far as engines because if you go on the CRA, PASS, Southern Super Series, etc web site they all have the exact same rules for engines. I do think you can make more and lighter power with the 9:1, but at 90% of the tracks where that 15-25hp difference doesn't matter its not worth the extra $15-20K. That being said I think the only place you would really even know the difference is New Smyrna. At the snowball derby last year Chase Elliots' record breaking qualifying time in his pro late for the snowflake would have qualified him 4th in the Derby. I think there are a few guys at New Smyrna with some pretty big HP, and I don't think they are running spec motors.

[RowdyBloomquist]

OldSchool and Old Racer, here is your answer in a nut shell...

Back in 2000 PROGRESSIVE RACING ENGINES was approached and asked to build a reliable horsepower engine to compete with the high price of a Steel Head engine (about $35,000) and the 9:1 (about $40,000) and this was to be done for at least half the price.
We built the 374 C.I. with extensive R&D and time being put into this package. We placed this engine over a period of one year in four different cars. We rented Lakeland Speedway, ran 200 laps turning it at 8200 to see if there would be any failure and there was no failure. This engine was then put on a wheel dyno against the Steel Head Ford and the Steel Head Chevy. All of the engines were within 10 horsepower.
We released the Florida Spec engine in 2001 and the current price for 2012 is $17,800 with a 750 carburetor. (less alternator and power steering) It makes approximately 600+ HP and 500 FT LB torque on our dyno.
Feedback from every driver who runs this engine is “it is very driveable and very smooth.”
Other engine builders have expressed negativity about this engine and have eventually copied it, ran it and have taken credit for the idea which was originally done by us in 2000.

Straight from Progressive's website.

Here is another version of the "sealed motor" from McGunegill

http://www.mcgunegillengines.com/fil...rFlyer2015.pdf

The only one not touched on, would be the SSPE engine. Which has comparable numbers as far as power and price to the Progressive Spec and the McGunegill.

Hope I am helping...

Eric Purcell

[OldSchool+]

Eric, that is definitely good info.

8200 is very impressive as well.

A question though--It seems like the R&D was done 14 years ago, and I assume the $40K builders are not sitting still...

Is the SPEC engine not becoming less competitive all the time?

ps--what is the compression ratio (apologies if it has been mentioned)?