NSS World Series Night Two Updates...

[UREZ2PASS]

One more, look what's behind the car.

[OldSchool+]

EZ--thank you for that, that is good news indeed.

Now, timeline...?

I am assuming that the driver would have been about as flammable as the fiberglass (and aluminum?) body which is now completely gone.

[UREZ2PASS]

EZ--thank you for that, that is good news indeed.

Now, timeline...?

I am assuming that the driver would have been about as flammable as the fiberglass (and aluminum?) body which is now completely gone.

In my opinion, if the driver was unconscious after he crashed and even if that fire truck was at the track when the crash took place, I don't believe it would have been survivable. There ls just too much going on, fuel fire, car burning, and theoretically unconscious driver. It's bad bad bad. Thank the good lord above the driver was able to get out of the car quickly.

[UREZ2PASS]

I will add, I agree that those pictures place NSS in a bad light, but they are only snap shots and in no way tell the whole story.

[OldSchool+]

"Thank the good lord above the driver was able to get out of the car quickly."--EZ

Amen, brother.

Here is an article regarding suits:
http://www.ogracing.com/blog/2013/01...-driving-suit/

It appears that an unconscious driver does not have long, even in a "good" suit.

Therefore a "fire" truck, full sized, F350, station wagon, whatever--needs to have enough equipment on it and be able to be there as close to that timeframe as possible. 10 seconds is probably not feasible, but if everything was ready to go, 30 seconds should be possible.

Seems like that "should" be one of the first priorities, along with a proper cage, belts, seat, and helmet.

"Enduros" or anything else without all of the above should stay at the house.

It just ain't worth it, IMO, for everyone involved, including the fans.

[Phil Jacques]

The car had a proper fuel cell. It got punctured and leaked fuel.

Whoever said it had a plastic cell is an idiot. Probably needs to be educated on how stuff turns black when it is subjected to fire.

The car was completely burning within a minute according to the driver who is the nephew of Dale Earnhardt JR's crew chief.

Even charred and black with no markings, the two cell cans look different even if they are the same size. He pointed out to me that it appeared to be a JAZ cell by the top of the can and where the fittings were located.

I was told that Fire Truck wasn't immediately in place. If it was, those people standing around watching it burn holding the garden hose and fire extinguishers wouldn't have been there. Regardless of that truck being there, response was slow.

We had a supermod puncture a fuel cell at waterford last year and it didn't escalate to near that magnitude and they run alcohol which not only burns nearly invisible but more volatile.

And tell me one more thing. Since they mandated bladder cells with check valves in the cup series... How many do you remember puncturing, even in some of the worst flips and crashes you've seen? I can't remember any. Blown off oil lines, or fuel lines elsewhere on the car... Sure, but I have not seen a bladder cell puncture yet.

I'm done arguing with you cause URALWAYSRIGHT

[Phil Jacques]

"Thank the good lord above the driver was able to get out of the car quickly."--EZ

Amen, brother.

Here is an article regarding suits:
http://www.ogracing.com/blog/2013/01...-driving-suit/

It appears that an unconscious driver does not have long, even in a "good" suit.

Therefore a "fire" truck, full sized, F350, station wagon, whatever--needs to have enough equipment on it and be able to be there as close to that timeframe as possible. 10 seconds is probably not feasible, but if everything was ready to go, 30 seconds should be possible.

Seems like that "should" be one of the first priorities, along with a proper cage, belts, seat, and helmet.

"Enduros" or anything else without all of the above should stay at the house.

It just ain't worth it, IMO, for everyone involved, including the fans.

With properly trained professionals which I ASSUME they have, that fire should never have gotten that out of control if they had the proper equipment. There is NO argument for that. I believe inadequacies on both sides cost that team an entire car rather than just the rear half it should have been.

[OldSchool+]

ps--Coincidentally, have been working like a doggie to put an electric pump in my 60's ride (incurable vapor lock/fuel pressure issues).

As soon as I found out my home-brewed system "worked" (and it works darn well, thankfully), I wired in a (brace yourself) ford "inertia" switch, which will shut the thing off in case I cannot in an accident.

Not feasible in a race car, but the point is, fire is not good at any level and again, safety starts with the Team (that is...US).

[Phil Jacques]

ps--Coincidentally, have been working like a doggie to put an electric pump in my 60's ride (incurable vapor lock/fuel pressure issues).

As soon as I found out my home-brewed system "worked" (and it works darn well, thankfully), I wired in a (brace yourself) ford "inertia" switch, which will shut the thing off in case I cannot in an accident.

Not feasible in a race car, but the point is, fire is not good at any level and again, safety starts with the Team.

I agree it 100% start with the team, you prepare your vehicle to prevent all issues. But the track needs to be there to back you up. They weren't in this instance. Im sure they have learned their lesson and you will be seeing changes at NSS soon. I don't for one second believe any of them want to see this happen again.

I still have a very hard time believing that they had a bladder fuel cell in that car.

Have a good night, going to watch some racing on FansChoiceTv

[OldSchool+]

You too, Phil.

[UREZ2PASS]

I'm done arguing with you cause URALWAYSRIGHT

Who's arguing ? I was seeking the facts of this story and I found them.

I'm sure that spreading bad information is not something you're proud of. It's not all your fault , you relied on someone that was mistaken, or dumb.

[UREZ2PASS]

OldSchool, I'm very safety conscious like you. I've got a hotrod with an electric fuel pump. There is a low oil pressure cut off switch on the fuel pump circuit in case I crash and can't shut off the fuel pump. If the engine stalls, the fuel pump shuts off.

[Phil Jacques]

Who's arguing ? I was seeking the facts of this story and I found them.

I'm sure that spreading bad information is not something you're proud of. It's not all your fault , you relied on someone that was mistaken, or dumb.

Show me evidence of your claims and I will say okay, but the truth is neither of us have pictures of the cell to know what it was for sure just word of mouth so it's all whatever.

[UREZ2PASS]

NSS Super Late Model fuel cell rule :

A fuel cell will be mandatory with a 22-gallon (U.S.) maximum. Fuel cell must have a minimum of eight inches (8”) ground clearance. Fuel cell must be equipped with at least two (2) protective straps completely around the cell. Fuel cell must be mounted securely behind the rear axle of the car. Cars must have a minimum 1/8” steel plate, or similar strength aluminum plate, between fuel cell and rear end. A similar plate at the rear of the fuel cell is recommended. All cars must have safety bar at the rear of the fuel cell. At a minimum, all fuel cell configurations must include a rubber type cell in a steel container.

[UREZ2PASS]

Put this fire out and save the car one critic said.

There was no saving this car.