SUNDAY March 29, 2015 @ ORLANDO SPEEDWORLD

[shorttrackcar1]

it could run late they might have to turn them lights on .

[katlizy]

it could run late they might have to turn them lights on .

Run late???? Only for you if you race with your wits

[Lurkin]

Crackin me up Kat. How can you be so damn funny and not get a Silence of the Lambs reference?

[shorttrackcar1]

I have every clue a owning a race car.. I come from a racing family... I don't own one.. Nor would I... However... If you are going to come right off and bitch about the payoff, stating... I ain't racing for no trophy.. Then flipping don't! I am busting my ass for these drivers, to get asses in the seats..so they will continue to race stock cars.. And you whine , bitch , and complain non stop. Osw does not have the money to do what you expect, but you all want a track to race at. This show is on a Sunday afternoon, as to not conflict with your big money payout race elsewhere, that you may not even win. Why not show some loyalty to a track that is trying, with no budget. The guy isn't given anything to open those gates...

If you are racing to get rich or earn a few bucks, sell your car and get a real job. This sport ain't gonna make you rich. Oh..... And I am about done with all you Whiny bitches. I sit here, watch what you all have to say... Been totally on your side 100%. I will take my hard earned money.. And spend it elsewhere. When the track is torn down .. And you are all crying, I will buy you some Kleenex.. And maybe a trophy.

you say your busting your rear to pass out flyers for the drivers to get fans in the seats well I think there is going to be upset fans if the track don't start acting like they care if a racer shows up or races some where's else that weekend. low car counts = no show= no fans come back .

[OldSchool+]

"...if the track don't start acting like they care..." ST1

Kinda hung up on that, aincha?

It is what it is. It is hard to imagine anyone pulling into the OSW parking lot that does not know what they are in for.

In a perfect world (pun intended) I agree with ya. In this world, why waste the time hoping for that...?

[Matt Albee]

Supporting OSW no matter how bad it gets, is maybe not the answer. It would be different if the owner were an Earl Baltes type guy who was on the track equipment every day making his track better every way he could afford. You respect guys like that and don't mind supporting them. And you can see steady improvement in the place each week.
That isn't the case with OSW. It's leased by someone with plenty of money and connections. That somebody has never lifted a finger to improve the track. In fact, as was mentioned above, even the track lights still don't work. I doubt you'll see Ozzy out there in the sun, painting and fixing things. Sadly, he also hasn't bothered hiring people to be out in the sun, painting and fixing things. He hires track managers ( many track managers ) and then gives them nothing at all to work with.
Losing another race track to make a parking lot or wal mart would be sad for sure. But nobody should be ashamed for not supporting OSW. Ozzy has had the place for a couple of years now, and has given fans and racers no reason to go there.

[OldSchool+]

Am not arguing your point(s). Have made 'em myself.

Nor am I saying necessarily to support them, although I support Kat & Phil supportin' them.

Just saying, why kick 'em when they are down--and already staying down?

Y'all think that is gonna change Ozzy?

[Phil Jacques]

The funniest thing in the world to me is that everyone points fingers directly at Ozzy and Donnie over and over. If you can do better, pony up... That place has been in turmoil for 15 years or more this is merely a continuation of the past. It's still better than nothing when they do put on a show. You guys all sit and armchair manage that track till the cows come home but for what? It hasn't made a difference, and will continue to not make a difference. At least the track is still there... Where is Lakeland? Where is the paved track at Volusia? What about Hialeah? There is still future hope here. Even if you don't like where it is now, hold on to that hope until the last fence post is pulled out of the ground.

[cake]

I don't think the track is going anywhere. But the drift guys bring money and the circle track guys don't. So we lose and the drifters win.
Unless the pits are packed and there's at least 100 in the stands on the 29th, I doubt there will be another circle track show at osw this year unless someone pays for it.

As far as not "lifting a finger to improve the facility"
They paved the infield. Case closed.

I reckon that the drift shows there this year are daytime shows which explains the light problem.
Not only that but the track is STILL RACEABLE without the light... Really doesn't cause huge problems visibility wise just a little darker. I think NSS lighting has spoiled some of you.

See you on the 29th

[cake]

The funniest thing in the world to me is that everyone points fingers directly at Ozzy and Donnie over and over. If you can do better, pony up... That place has been in turmoil for 15 years or more this is merely a continuation of the past. It's still better than nothing when they do put on a show. You guys all sit and armchair manage that track till the cows come home but for what? It hasn't made a difference, and will continue to not make a difference. At least the track is still there... Where is Lakeland? Where is the paved track at Volusia? What about Hialeah? There is still future hope here. Even if you don't like where it is now, hold on to that hope until the last fence post is pulled out of the ground.

We armchair manage because we don't have the money to pony up. So we bitch to the people that do. Welcome to America Phil.

[Matt Albee]

No, i don't think Ozzy is going to change his mind about the oval track. But knowing that, it's hard to make a case for supporting the place. Supporting the racers, sure. But not the track.
It's always a great idea to support the small independent shop near your home. But as the place begins to fall down from neglect, and the inventory drops off to nothing, and the owner openly demonstrates that he doesn't care if the place stays open or not.... you're wasting your money and goodwill. It's time to find a new place to shop.

[Phil Jacques]

We armchair manage because we don't have the money to pony up. So we bitch to the people that do. Welcome to America Phil.

I don't mind a good debate but it's a god damn broken record lol Find another reason to bitch lol

[Phil Jacques]

I don't think the track is going anywhere. But the drift guys bring money and the circle track guys don't. So we lose and the drifters win.
Unless the pits are packed and there's at least 100 in the stands on the 29th, I doubt there will be another circle track show at osw this year unless someone pays for it.

As far as not "lifting a finger to improve the facility"
They paved the infield. Case closed.

I reckon that the drift shows there this year are daytime shows which explains the light problem.
Not only that but the track is STILL RACEABLE without the light... Really doesn't cause huge problems visibility wise just a little darker. I think NSS lighting has spoiled some of you.

See you on the 29th

The place has been painted, some new fencing installed in places, infield paved and drainage re-done... Sure, the argument can be had that they did it for the drifters, but so what. They did it, right?

I do love the fact that people bitch about the lighting... Even missing that 1 light, the place is like daylight compared to Riverhead NY and Seekonk MA... It's absolutely indescribable how dark those places are...

Some things are in the works for more upgrades soon thanks to Formula D coming in. Bitch about the dirfters all you want but they bring in some bux.

[Phil Jacques]

No, i don't think Ozzy is going to change his mind about the oval track. But knowing that, it's hard to make a case for supporting the place. Supporting the racers, sure. But not the track.
It's always a great idea to support the small independent shop near your home. But as the place begins to fall down from neglect, and the inventory drops off to nothing, and the owner openly demonstrates that he doesn't care if the place stays open or not.... you're wasting your money and goodwill. It's time to find a new place to shop.

There is 1 thing that will make Ozzy change his mind. MONEY. OSW is not a weekly track. I see that place more as a monthly special event facility. Once a month, bring in PLM/SLM combo race, Sportsmans, Super Stocks, Minis and an alternating touring division and I bet it could do well. However, the problem is funding. You aren't going to bleed a dime out of Ozzy for that Oval so the money has to come from other areas. Sponsors etc... Donny is putting in a substantial amount of effort. I am not the type of person to blow smoke up anyones ass. If I didn't think Donny was trying, I'd tell him to go pound sand in regards to promoting the place in any way. His back is against the wall and he is at least trying to do some things and come up with new ideas. His hope is that this show on the 29th is successful enough to draw 12-15 cars per division and a half full grandstand. If he can do that, he can show potential sponsors there is interest for more events. He's gonna probably yell at me for saying anything but oh well. Had to be said. Hell, I don't even have a dog in the fight down there right now and I try to help based solely on my love for the sport and FL racing. The sport as a whole needs support.

[OldSchool+]

A couple of thoughts...

Jacko--the infield is reportedly paved. Maybe the SCCA would like to rent the place and throw some pylons out there. Autocross-with-some-banked-turns might be interesting...

I would pay to see the drifters actually race on the oval. Mandate about 2" of stagger and a hard compound and let me cheer on my favorite sideways ricer!

I heard Donnie was a drifter (in this case, a low-plains drifter...), maybe run it by him.