Question for the Sportsman guys.. Built vs Crate?

[myron]

motors

63 is a crate also

[Phil Jacques]

27 and 45 both have built motors
i believe the 88 is a crate motor.

DJ can correct me, but I was talking to him earlier in the season and seem to remember him saying he had a crate.

Regardless, thanks for that list Scott and a very nice turnout for the 50!

[Matt Albee]

Thanks scott for posting that. bottom line support you local track!! not the engine shop buy the crate motor and go raceing. If everybody is running the same motor it will be a great race.

The bottom line should be...... kids, this post is why you should pay attention in school. Learning to spell is important.

[OldSchool+]

This news is not going to help the builders much...

Perhaps a cam with more bottom end?

Also, help me out here. I get that a car with less horsepower may be able to get back on the throttle sooner, but why could not a decent shoe in a built-motor car simply pedal it through the turn to get the same result and then power by halfway down the straight?

Matt--Saye Whut?

[Patrick Thomas 25]

A good built motor car should be able to outrun the crate car's, at least until the built motor car overheats the rear tires. What everybody needs to remember is, we are on a 8" wide threaded/ribbed tire that if you abuse will go away.

Patrick Thomas 25

[shorttrackcar1]

The bottom line should be...... kids, this post is why you should pay attention in school. Learning to spell is important.

Matt is that all you got? nobody on here ever makes a mistake do they? what do you have ties to a machine shop? thanks for your contribution to my post I will try to use spell check for you.

[Matt Albee]

Matt is that all you got? nobody on here ever makes a mistake do they? what do you have ties to a machine shop? thanks for your contribution to my post I will try to use spell check for you.

Or better yet.......learn to spell.
We all have ties to a machine shop, sometimes those ties are direct and sometimes they aren't.

[Phil Jacques]

Because this has everything to do with the Built vs. Crate discussion... Come on guys

[Matt Albee]

This thread has some interesting information, but i don't think we can really say that crates vs. built is settled. Winning requires driver, car, and circumstances.
A good driver isn't going to burn his tires up because he has too much power. A good driver can also compensate for a lack of power up to a point. A good chassis setup is always going to beat a poor chassis setup.
Crates are certainly cheaper, but it doesn't look like they're all that much cheaper when you factor in the parts to complete em. But i'm not convinced they're going to save racing. In fact, the crates have been around for 20 years or more and yet racing has been on a continuous down hill slide. I think a lot of this discussion has really been about agendas more than racing.
And from a fan's perspective, i hate to see any racing class turned into a spec series. I prefer to see variety in the cars.

[shorttrackcar1]

Ok Matt what's the diffrence if a class is running all crate motors that they paid 3,100 for them? Compared to the same class that had all built motors from the same engine shop should be built the same, if built by the rules, the only diffrence is the built motor cost them more.

[Matt Albee]

Ok Matt what's the diffrence if a class is running all crate motors that they paid 3,100 for them? Compared to the same class that had all built motors from the same engine shop should be built the same, if built by the rules, the only diffrence is the built motor cost them more.

I'd be more than happy to comment on your post, if only i knew what the hell it said.
I see the word diffrence ( your spell check doesn't work ) several times, so i'm going to assume that you are interested in the difference between built and crate. The built motor makes more power, keeps speed shops, engine builders, machine shops in business, and gives the racer a chance to build his own engine if he so desires. Also gives him a chance to experiment with parts and pieces so he can go faster.
The crate motor comes from the manufacturer for , we'll assume the figure is correct , $3100.00. Plus the parts and pieces to finish it of course. With the exception of headers and misc. parts, there's not really much you can do to out horsepower somebody. Doesn't seem like much of a challenge. Driving and chassis set up would make the difference, but i think the engine should also be able to make a difference.
The crate concept saves some money but doesn't make the same power as a good shop built engine. It looks like a crate can go farther between rebuilds, though i suspect that might have more to do with who built the " built ' engine. Maybe not.
All i know is out of the list of racers posted, a lot of very fast racers still prefer the built motor. Patrick had a good night, and congrats to him. But one good night doesn't mean one engine is superior to another.

[shorttrackcar1]

Patrick has had more then just one good night running A crate motor . I decided I am not going to spell check because it bothers you . And also Matt you missed to capitalize the letter i I a few time in your post thought I would let you know .

[scottgarrity07]

Patrick broke the track record for Sportsman with a time of 19.427.
The built motor that timed 2nd was over 3 tenths slower. The built motor that timed third had its time disqualified for left side tires that durometered too soft.

[RSB]

puionou

Patrick broke the track record for Sportsman with a time of 19.427.
The built motor that timed 2nd was over 3 tenths slower. The built motor that timed third had its time disqualified for left side tires that durometered too soft.

So he loaded up and went home. What's up with that? Embarrassment? Not enough money to buy legal tires?