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  • #31
    you know, it's not an unusual bargaining strategy to put forward several ideas ( none of which the other party may care for ) but to have one point that is so outrageous that it will never be accepted.

    what is the reason for the outrageous proposal? to create a smoke screen ( get people wound up enough about something you intend to sacrifice anyways and they're likely to miss a lot of other stuff ) to distract from your actual goal and to provide a fall back point at the things that you actually want to which you can "compromise".

    the "poison pill" that John is trying to slip through here are the Desoto seal bolts.

    questions:
    what other tracks are going to honor Desoto seals? if you show up at SGMP or Punta Gorda or Slinger or Winchester or Pensacola ( it wouldn't surprise me if FASCAR will honor them ), what do you think the tech man is going to say to you? "What the hell is a Desoto seal and why do you think I'm going to let you run it at my track. Factory GMPP seals work just fine". you're going to spend five thousand dollars on a motor that you aren't going to be able to travel with.
    how long will John continue to sell 604's at below normal retail prices?
    what happens if / when other tracks start implementing similar seal bolt policies? are you going to have to have a different motor for each track?
    what happens if tracks, who one year honor each others bolts, have a fight? who's going to get stuck in the middle?
    what happens if the track you bought the seal bolts from closes down anyway? where ya gonna run now?

    this is as far away from a "standardized" engine rule as you can get.


    it doesn't embarrass me that John almost slipped this by me. it embarrasses me that i almost helped him do it. i must not be quite the Poindexter that Brokeback thinks i am.
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    • #32
      So your telling me if i Already have a 604 Motor I bought Straight from GM I can not race it there Because I did not I buy it from John and i do not have his seal on it.

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      • #33
        "So far rules:
        Motor to be bought at Desoto #604 ZZ4 and sealed here ,working on a deal for under $4800.00 or less plus tax.

        When found right you will recieve gaskets and we will reseal at your shop."




        that's John's own words from the very first post. 604's are sealed from the factory, there's no reason for Desoto to be touching them unless they're changing or modifying the seal bolts in some way.

        you want further clarification you'll have to talk to him. me, i don't like it at all.
        Last edited by Todd McCreary; 05-29-2008, 09:04 PM.
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        • #34
          I really don't see why it's so hard to just try and put hard tires on and let them eat. I personally talked to the USA modified series tech guy and asked why they had such a good car count in times where money was tight his answer was the treaded tires that can be run for a long time and the fact no one had to do anything at all just run. I will continue to push the treaded tires and if I can get something off the ground that is what well be run. Might not the best fix but If start adding weight and different motors then you need to have a really good tech guy and you have to spend longer hrs. after the race to make sure everything is ok.

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          • #35
            I will continue to push the treaded tires and if I can get something off the ground that is what well be run.

            i wish you luck Skipper.
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            • #36
              I'm 100% behind Skip on this one
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              • #37
                There is one MAJOR problem with the posted proposal, The 604 is NOT a ZZ4 motor.
                604:
                Block Part Number: 10105123
                Block Type: Cast iron with 4-bolt main caps
                Bore x stroke (in) 4.00 x 3.48
                Camshaft duration (@.050 in) 208 degree intake / 221 degree exhaust
                Camshaft lift (in): .474 intake / .510 exhaust
                Camshaft Part Number: 10185071
                Camshaft type: Steel hydraulic roller
                Compression ratio: 9.6:1
                Connecting Rod Part Number: 10108688
                Connecting rods Type: Powdered metal steel
                Crankshaft Part Number: 12556307
                Crankshaft Type: Forged steel
                Cylinder head Part Number: 12464298
                Cylinder head Type: Aluminum; 62cc chambers
                Displacement (cu in): 350
                Ignition timing: 10 degree BTDC @ 800 rpm 32 degree total @ 4000 rpm with vacuum advance disconnected
                Maximum rpm: 5800
                Piston Part Number: 10159436
                Pistons Type: Hypereutectic aluminum
                Recommended fuel: 92 octane
                Rocker arm ratio: 1.5:1
                Rocker arms Part Number: 12367345
                Rocker arms Type: Aluminum; roller style
                Valve size (in): 2.00 intake / 1.55 exhaust

                ZZ4:
                Block Part Number: 10105123
                Block Type: Cast iron with 4-bolt main caps
                Bore x stroke (in): 4.00 x 3.48
                Camshaft duration (@.050 in): 208 degree intake / 221 degree exhaust
                Camshaft lift (in): .474 intake / .510 exhaust
                Camshaft Part Number: 10185071
                Camshaft type: Steel hydraulic roller
                Compression ratio: 10:1
                Connecting Rod Part Number: 10108688
                Connecting rods Type: Powdered metal steel
                Crankshaft Part Number: 12556307
                Crankshaft Type: Forged steel
                Cylinder head Part Number: 12556463
                Cylinder head Type: Aluminum; 58cc chambers
                Displacement (cu in): 350
                Ignition timing: 10 degree BTDC @ 800 rpm 32 degree total @ 4000 rpm with vacuum advance disconnected
                Maximum rpm: 5800
                Piston Part Number: 10159436
                Pistons Type: High-silicon aluminum with offset pins
                Recommended fuel: 92 octane
                Rocker arm ratio: 1.5:1
                Rocker arms Part Number: 10089648
                Rocker arms Type: Stamped steel
                Valve size (in): 1.94 intake / 1.50 exhaust

                They ARE CLOSE BUT they use different heads, Rocker Arms, valve sizes and compression Ratios.

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