Southern Sportsman Series Returns In 2013!!!

[W Keller]

You want to make it work?? Make it a claimer series. Engines, Shock's, etc. There are several successful series that have these type of rules and that's why this thing wont work. To many different opinion's on what the rules should be.

I for one would love to see the series come back, but until everyone that wants to run it can agree on 1 set of rules and stand by them it's never going to happen.

[RSB]

I have won all 3 races I have run at NSS this year with this crate motor, and have won 6 or 7 over the last 5 year's having only raced ther about 10 times.

Patrick Thomas 25

Also the track record at Columbia for a sportsman car is held by me with a crate motor and the old Goodyear treaded tires at a 18.37 and we all know the Hoosier treaded tires are faster.

Trick, you could put a 305 in your cars and still win. You've got them killed on set up which, you know, is the most important thing of all. Congratulations and yes I'm jealous!
I shouldn't have posted anything about racing anyway since I don't even have a car...I was just told a few years ago by a few guys that were running crates that the motors could definitely be cheated up. Just a rumor I'm sure.
Good luck, can't wait to WATCH a good sportsman race again!

[scottgarrity07]

@ W Keller. There is one set of rules that everyone had their input on to put together. Last winter there were 2 meetings that had over 25 Sportsman teams represented for the failed Sportsman Challenge Series. Every team had their opportunity for input. Things addressed were Crate Motors, Open Motors, Tech, Tires and different track rules. Not to call people out but some of the top competitors were there. The Morris, The Williamsons, Roger Welch and Patrick Thomas teams were all represented to name a few. Things agreed upon were using the Hoosier tires that all of the tracks (except PGS) use, that Crate motors would be teched just like Open motors regardless of seals, no weight break for Crates, and that the rules would be based off Citrus rules because those rules pretty much made every car currently running legal (with a few minor exceptions which were addressed with weight). All concerns were discussed. I don't think that rules would be a problem if the rules created from these meetings were used. As far as a claimer rule, I don't think it is necessary if you tech properly and tear down the Crates in the same fashion as the Open motors. You could probably institute a claim for the Crate for the same cost as a new one and no one would have a problem with that, but that lets the Open guys off the hook and instituting a claim for those guys will drive them away. You don't need a claim on shocks if you restrict them to an $125.00 Racer Net Steel Shock rule. Rebuildable-Revalvable shocks can be had for under that limit. Shock valving is a part of racing at this level now. It's time to embrace it and learn how to do it.

@RSB. Yes you can cheat up a Crate. Solid lifters and a reground cam are the easiest ways. That's why you tear 'em apart and Tech 'em. Lifters are easy but the cam requires the Cam Doctor treatment.

This can and WILL WORK.

[W Keller]

@ W Keller. There is one set of rules that everyone had their input on to put together. Last winter there were 2 meetings that had over 25 Sportsman teams represented for the failed Sportsman Challenge Series. Every team had their opportunity for input. Things addressed were Crate Motors, Open Motors, Tech, Tires and different track rules. Not to call people out but some of the top competitors were there. The Morris, The Williamsons, Roger Welch and Patrick Thomas teams were all represented to name a few. Things agreed upon were using the Hoosier tires that all of the tracks (except PGS) use, that Crate motors would be teched just like Open motors regardless of seals, no weight break for Crates, and that the rules would be based off Citrus rules because those rules pretty much made every car currently running legal (with a few minor exceptions which were addressed with weight). All concerns were discussed. I don't think that rules would be a problem if the rules created from these meetings were used. As far as a claimer rule, I don't think it is necessary if you tech properly and tear down the Crates in the same fashion as the Open motors. You could probably institute a claim for the Crate for the same cost as a new one and no one would have a problem with that, but that lets the Open guys off the hook and instituting a claim for those guys will drive them away. You don't need a claim on shocks if you restrict them to an $125.00 Racer Net Steel Shock rule. Rebuildable-Revalvable shocks can be had for under that limit. Shock valving is a part of racing at this level now. It's time to embrace it and learn how to do it. This can and WILL WORK.

That's the problem " SO CALLED TECH" As far as" learn how to do it" raced with alot of the guy's you've listed and held my own. It's a product of gettin screwed to many times in Tech just improve car counts. I may be speaking out of bounds, but that's what has been happening up here in N. Fl.

[scottgarrity07]

@W Keller. I think you misunderstood me. When I said "it's time to learn how to do it" I was referring to shock revalving and I wasn't directing that at you, just everyone in general. Shocks are the greatest advancement in circle track racing in the last 10 years and its something everyone needs to start embracing, because it's how the sport is evolving these days. I didn't mean to insult you, if you can hold your own with those guys, my hat is off to you. I'm still trying! I agree with you 100% about tech. It's too bad that in your neck of the woods Tech hasn't given you a fair deal. I'm guessing "certain people" just weren't getting torn down or if they were things were overlooked. That was addressed at the meetings too. Although it never materialized, everyone believed that the success of the Series would depend upon a Tech Crew that exclusively worked and traveled with the Series and was fair and uniform ACROSS THE BOARD. I still believe this is true and any sucessful "New" Series would need this. It needs to be a priority. You're not speaking out of bounds. It's a great point.

[Patrick Thomas 25]

Wes is for sure one of the best drivers in this type of class around, now John nah he's old............HeHe......... I learned alot from both of these guys, they can flat wheel a racecar. John helped me one night at USA international in a truck race, I had just run 17th a lap down without having any problem's, We just were terrible. I talked to him after the races and he told me some stuff that has stuck with me, and to this day I still apply some of the techniques he mentioned to me on that bad night. Oh yeah did I mention I won the next race 2 week's later and haven't looked back since.

Thanks John.


Patrick Thomas 25

[scottgarrity07]

Thanks for the info Patrick. Sounds like two guys that could be an asset and make a "New" Series, even stronger!

[RSB]

Wes is for sure one of the best drivers in this type of class around, now John nah he's old............HeHe......... I learned alot from both of these guys, they can flat wheel a racecar. John helped me one night at USA international in a truck race, I had just run 17th a lap down without having any problem's, We just were terrible. I talked to him after the races and he told me some stuff that has stuck with me, and to this day I still apply some of the techniques he mentioned to me on that bad night. Oh yeah did I mention I won the next race 2 week's later and haven't looked back since.

Thanks John.


Patrick Thomas 25

Glad I could help and am really glad to see your "turnaround". Good luck. Hope to see you race soon!

[scottgarrity07]

Well, it's just in the discussion phase, but this idea is being kicked around in some pretty high places. Stay tuned to this thread for developments and the possibility for something BIG for Sportsman in 2013. Gotta love KARNAC!

[Don Nerone]

Well, it's just in the discussion phase, but this idea is being kicked around in some pretty high places. Stay tuned to this thread for developments and the possibility for something BIG for Sportsman in 2013. Gotta love KARNAC!

Scotty u can call it southern sportsman and ill give it to u in writing.
Good luck and hope you all get together and make it work

don62.

[scottgarrity07]

Don. Thank you so much! I was made aware by the "powers that be" you owned the rights to the series name "Southern Sportsman Series". I will pass that information on to the them. The name in itself has a TON of clout, as it conjures up memories of giant fields of Sportsman cars racing door-to-door putting on a great show. I just want everyone to know that I am just trying to get parties to the table to get something going here and the seed has been planted. I, along with a lot of other Sportsman guys, just want to help bring a Series of this type back and in the process help the state of racing at EVERY track that would be gracious enough to want to be a part of this. I just want to race against (and learn from) the best Sportsman drivers in the state in HUGE events and put on a great show for the fans!

[modracer#8]

I was just reading Gm has a new seal bolt for the crate motors. it has a bar code on all them now. and it can be scaned with a computer and it brings up some kind of info .they are saying there is no way to copy it and if you try to take it out of the motor the bar code will get damaged they had a pictrue of it. if I can find it I will post it .

[scottgarrity07]

Thanks Modracer8. The racers wanted to tech all the motors the same (Crate and Open), but any information is good and that sounds like a deal that could save time and hassle in tech and be "uncheatable". Put up a link for the info and I will pass the information on. Any input is great, thanks for the help.

[scottgarrity07]

1122 HITS! Way to show interest people. I'm thinking that will show the people who are discussing this that the interest from Drivers and Fans alike is huge. I'll keep you posted when I hear any more news.

[VeaseyRacing]

You can count my #12 Sportsman in on the Series!

Whomever is going to be the director, I can offer my website services for free. I still have sportsmanchallenge.com, but if you want another site name, I can see if it's available.

veaseyracing@gmail.com
Or, PM me.