Wayne wins Rex does not like it

[Tim]

If I understand what happened correct from someone that was there, this motor was thrown out due to it being a Koury motor, not the seals that it had...

I guess what I'm asking is was this race ran under FUP rules or not?

If it was, when was it decided that the Koury motors were not allowed to run in the FUP sereis???

With the tech tools today, there is no reason for an engine to be pulled. And if you do pull it, the first thing thats going to happen is they are going to put it on a dyno. Because of the difference in dyno results the only way to do this properly would be to pull another LLM SPEC engine from the same race and do a hp/torque comparison between the two. At that point if there is a noticable difference between the two, the tools come out and the engine gets torn down.

I'm just trying to understand why this all took place when it did when there were so many opportunities for this to be resolved prior. The way it appears to me, it looks as if the track owner is a poor loser.

I sure hope there is something I'm not seeing here.

[chevyj31]

Tim, I dont understand why you are beating up Rex Guy?? Every race, if a spec engine comes through in the top 3-5, the seals are checked, against the list from the approved engine builders. It is not legal to buy a spec engine from one of the engine builders and have it re-built by your engine builder. Wyane is a good guy, but it is not about Wayne, if any spec engine comes through without the proper seals on it, it is dq'ed. If they let Wayne through without the proper seals, it opens up a huge can of worms to the credibility of the spec engine program in florida, which has worked fine for at least 10 years now. For the third time the 3 engine builders are and have been...1.progressive...2. jimmy cope....3. cre......This is black and white, and has nothing to do with rex guy, or wayne, just the tech guys doing there job....period

[Vail716]

If that's the case. Which it's not. Why was it not found in pre race tech and or after qualifying?

[Tim]

I'm well aware of how the SPEC program "should" work. This goes far deeper than a driver taking a spec motor to their own "motor builder" and having it freshened up. I think by some of the things you have said you already know that. For Auburndale to claim ignorance to these few approved motors is not a very strong leg to stand on. But then again, when your a person that can't be wrong......you'll grab at anything to be right.

With $5000 on the line and it being a memorial race, I would think something as simple as reading seal numbers would have been done in either pre-tech, or definately after THIS particular driver qualified 3rd?

What I think happened,....As I have seen many times at many tracks, a persons ego will overshadow their perception of right and wrong. Most of the time its racers, which I get in the heat of the moment. But it should NEVER be the owner/promoter.

If I'm wrong about something here tell me and I'll appologize immediately. I have expressed my opinions and only my opinions based on things I have heard from people that WERE there. So I could be wrong!!! Who the hell am I anyways???

[chevyj31]

Tim, also, from what I have researched, that engine would not be legal at Desoto, Citrus, or NSS?? The only time a spec engine from that engine builder was legal, was when Wayne had his own series? I do believe it will be legal in Punta Gorda only. Please double check that, but as far as I know Byron Kory spec engines are not approved or legal at those tracks, Again, I believe if any other racer won, with a spec engine, they would be put under the same inspection. Just my opinion......

[Vail716]

Pre race tech is where this should be checked How else would they know what the proper weight for your car would be. And Many other builders motors were at this race and races in the past. We have raced both hammer and mcgunnigil motors there never been a problem.

[Tim]

Do your research again....

[Frasson118]

..... "the credibility of the spec engine program in florida, which has worked fine for at least 10 years now" ...

Don't know if I can agree with that. It killed Speedweeks, it hurt most everyone else, and how often does any other engine than a Progressive win a race? It worked great for that 1 company, but now, to win a race, you almost have to have a Progressive.

I don't know if I'd call that working fine.

Not allowing other engine builders in doesn't seem right. If Koury can build a motor within the specs of the rulebook, why shouldnt he be allowed to build and sell them? It would be great if he could build an equal piece at a better price. He does build some great Dirt motors.

You want to eliminate all this nit-picky crap with the engines? THROW OUT TIME TRIALS. If these guys had to RACE their way into their starting positions, they'd need to worry more about handling than outright speed. Too many asphalt shows, especially Late Models, already have the race script written after qualifying. Same old story... fast time, sits on pole, leads every lap..... repeat.

As a fan, it gets old.

The Governors Cup is the only race in Florida, other than the Snowball, that should run Time Trials. Heat races for anything 100 laps or less. Give us a show, and a decent format, and we will find out who the RACERS are.

Ther's a big difference between a racer, and someone who just drives fast...

[Tim]

Again, I believe if any other racer won, with a spec engine, they would be put under the same inspection. Just my opinion......

One question.....what engine was Anthony Campi running?....when Wayne refused what was Anthony requested to do? He WAS the winner at that point?

This is in no way against Anthony at ALL...He's a great kid that I truely enjoy watching race....

[tom77hmstd]

Thanks for those of you who support my stand. I felt that no matter what we did- take motor- leave motor we would not prevail. So rather than spending the night taking the motor out, trying to get it back, wondering when I would get it back I decided to cut my losses and go home.
I would not speend $2215 to race if I thought there was ANY chance of a dq.
In my opinon there was no way the powers at be there would pay us.
I have been a crew chief or owner since 1971 I have run 1000's of races with only 2 dqs. Any one that thinks I cheat is mistaken.Some times you are not going beat city hall.

[polesitter61]

Edited due to politics...

[tom77hmstd]

Thanks John. Call me when you get a chance.

[Tim]

Chin up Tom!!! Lesson learned the hard way....as always, you were a man, took your licks and will move on....hope we don't lose you over this...

Polesitter thank you.....again this race was promoted and ran by FUP rules....until tech????

[polesitter61]

Edited due to politics....

[tom77hmstd]

I think there were more than just 3 approved builders for the FUPS series.
I am done posting now because I think it is time to talk to my lawyer
John I understand. thanks for verifying the seals were correct and legal.You cannot beat the TRUTH.

Thanks Jim Fenton and the Wescott family for a great race.