Driver Hurt, Tony Stewart Involved

[scottgarrity07]

Phil is confusing Groundpounder with Frasson118 (Jerry).

Groundpounder- I use the term "Hater" for everyone who seems to want to jump to the conclusion that Tony somehow did this "on purpose" before all the evidence is presented and ignores the circumstances that initially seem to indicate that this was just a tragic accident. Defying that logic seems to show a preconceived dislike or "hate" of Stewart. If it's ok for you to assume Tony had "red mist" towards Kevin when there's no evidence Tony had a reason to be mad, and for you to insinuate that people are "creating" evidence to exonerate Stewart then I think it's ok for me to label people ignoring what evidence that has been presented as "haters". The "haters" comment wasn't intended to be just directed at you. People have gotten so nasty with their accusations that Canandaigua had to shut down their Facebook page. If I offended you with the "hater" comment then I apologize. But I'm growing weary of the people that want to rush to judgement and condemn Stewart. There is a lot of evidence and information on this tragedy that has yet to be made public. Let's let the experts with all the evidence conclude what happened. If there is indeed evidence that suggests Tony is culpable it will eventually surface. So far none has so I will assume Tony is innocent until proven guilty. Tony has that right as an American, as much as you have a right to your opinion.

[Phil Jacques]

Phil is confusing Groundpounder with Frasson118 (Jerry).

Groundpounder- I use the term "Hater" for everyone who seems to want to jump to the conclusion that Tony somehow did this "on purpose" before all the evidence is presented and ignores the circumstances that initially seem to indicate that this was just a tragic accident. Defying that logic seems to show a preconceived dislike or "hate" of Stewart. If it's ok for you to assume Tony had "red mist" towards Kevin when there's no evidence Tony had a reason to be mad, and for you to insinuate that people are "creating" evidence to exonerate Stewart then I think it's ok for me to label people ignoring what evidence that has been presented as "haters". The "haters" comment wasn't intended to be just directed at you. People have gotten so nasty with their accusations that Canandaigua had to shut down their Facebook page. If I offended you with the "hater" comment then I apologize. But I'm growing weary of the people that want to rush to judgement and condemn Stewart. There is a lot of evidence and information on this tragedy that has yet to be made public. Let's let the experts with all the evidence conclude what happened. If evidence does surface that suggests Tony is culpable it will eventually surface. So far none has so I will assume Tony is innocent until proven guilty. Tony has that right as an American, as much as you have a right to your opinion.

My bad... Not even aimed directly at Groundpounder... Someone else but whatever. My point is made

[Matt Albee]

As to speculation regarding what Tony had "to be mad about".

I would suggest that Tony doesn't need much.

Simply questioning his "author-o-tie" and/or being in the track gesturing at Tony probably is enough to light his fuse.

Also, there were some articles indicating that the locals spoke of a previous history.

All speculation, of course.

Food for thought--If you walk & quack like a duck, folks assume you will be a duck in the future.

No, you're wrong about that being food for thought. Thought would quickly starve to death using your logic.

[OldSchool+]

How so?

In my experience, there is only one way to guess at the future--and that is from known experience from the past.

Tony has a long history of losing his temper. That doesn't mean he did this time, it means it fuels the fire for speculation in that direction.

[Benny The Mule]

This thread is full of Sprint car racing veteran/analysts/psycho analysts/telepathisist and maybe even an attorney or two.

The 45 car in front of Tony who was running a lower line said HE barely missed the driver on the track................who was still running down the track when hit.

Do not fabricate facts from assumptions or interpretation of how anyone thinks anyone else acts or may have acted in their lifetime.

[John Berti]

Here is a different prospective on the tragedy that happened at Canadaigua Motorsports Park that resulted in the the loss of life of sprint car racer Kevin Ward, Jr. It's not the sensationalism angle that an ill informed general media is thriving on, but instead the facts from a person who has actually driven a winged sprint car, Bubba Clem who happens to also own a dirt race track. It is very important to know the unique characteristics of such a race car to get a thorough understanding of the situation Tony Stewart was in, why he did what he did, and what really happened.

Click on the link, listen to the whole video, learn about the dynamics of a sprint car, and you'll leave with the proper prospective on what really happened and why on that tragic night in upstate New York. It was a learning experience for me and I'm sure it will be for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywHJDA6xjs

[OldSchool+]

Post #9 "I have been a Tony fan for years."--OS+

But the only way to be objective is to call 'em as you see them.

"There is a slowed-down, zoomed-in version of one of the videos.
It clearly shows that Tony was trying to avoid hitting Ward, as Tony's car is turned down *away* from the direction of him. The kid kept running at Tony's car; jumps up on the nerf bar, hangs on the wing, and falls off between the nerf bar and the right-rear. The car in front of Tony was also clearly trying to avoid hitting Ward."--JM

Am very much hoping this video will show just that.

ps--as mentioned cannot view vids at the moment but am looking forward to that one as well, John!

[shorttrackcar1]

They said on radio news that there was a second video that a fan had and has not been posted on the net And that they have look at it and tony has been cleared of any fault. and faceing no charges.

[OldSchool+]

Thank you Mr. McKinley & Mr. Berti for the additional relevant input.

After reviewing the videos including the commentary, have re-evaluated.

The combination of the gas being hit and what I considered to be something too ridiculous to contemplate--trying to jump in between the tires of a sprint car moving at 35mph or better--fooled me.

Ain't the first time, won't be the last.

Thx again.

[Groundpounder]

The kid kept running at Tony's car; jumps up on the nerf bar, hangs on the wing, and falls off between the nerf bar and the right-rear.

Did you ever think if he instantaneously thought that he was going to be hit, he jumped on the car to save himself??? I have imagined doing that it, if I thought that I would be hit by a car.
Food for thought...

[Phil Jacques]

Hey OldSchool... http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/new...-tony-stewart/

[Groundpounder]

There are others that say the opposite.

[Jimmy McKinley]

Agreed.

Jimmy, can you post a link, please?

I don't know if you guys can get to it, but:

https://www.facebook.com/jim.mckinle...=share_comment

[OldSchool+]

Apparently, the Jury is still Out

Groundpounder,

Excerpts from Jayskis:

" [Stewart] could be charged with second-degree manslaughter under New York law if prosecutors believe he 'recklessly caused the death of another person,' with negligent homicide another possibility...if, for example, he were to tell police that he saw Ward on the track and tried to shower him with dirt or otherwise send him a message, a first-degree manslaughter charge could be a possibility..."--criminal law professor Corey Rayburn Yung of the Kansas University School of Law

Am very much hoping that the "Ward tried to jump onto Tony's car" theory proves to be correct.

[OldSchool+]

Another factor--The wing.

I get the aero thing, but if everyone's wing was moved up a little and/or the corner of the sideboards trimmed off so the driver could see, the disadvantage would be the same for all. And the visibility would also be better for all.