fascar rulebook

[Jane]

I don't know how many of you remember this but that is what they did years ago in the runabout class. You got so many wins, you had to move up period. Plus if you had moved up, you could not go back down to runabout and I saw quite a few drivers booted because they went back into a runabout after moving up. It didn't matter if it was one race or twenty, they had gone up in class.

Then the economy got bad and the runabouts were thrown out for the strictly stocks which were really suppose to be strictly stock. Drive the car to the track, take out the headlights and race. But in time, the rules were lightened up because alot of the guys flat could not go up in class and they didn't force it after so many wins and it got to be where anyone could drive a strictly stock no matter if he was a Sportsman driver, or Super Stock, or Mini Stock, he could go down and do it.

The runabouts really did get out of hand towards the end. Spending just as much money in them as a Super Stock because I had an idiot ex that did that. You would not want to know how much he spent on that runabout, it was crazy.

Strictly Stock should be novice, where someone new can come into racing and learn but when you have experienced racers also in the class, those beginners get very frustrated and leave and just quit. Seen that a few times also. When we had the Hurricanes on Saturday night, it made no difference then to Rusty what experience you did or did not have, you brought a car, you could run it. Whether that helped or not, I could not say but every track does need a totally novice class where new people can learn and not feel like they have lost before they even began. That was what was so cool about the Legends, that they had that novice class for new people, the Chargers. Many of those guys were much happier because they did not have the experience of a Legend driver and they were always going home with a damaged car and unhappy. The Chargers made them happy and made them want to race and come back because they felt they had a better chance with other novice drivers.

No one is ever happy with track rules but they are necessary and hopefully enforced because that does help people feel more equal and like they have a chance especially when they have never raced before in their lives. It truly is time that they have a total novice class and I wish them all the best of luck.

[oldyeller]

I'm assuming there's no season championship or points kept in the strictly stock division, right? if you are essentially punished for winning races, points are irrelevant, right? I could see people slamming on the brakes in turn four trying to finish no better than second.

[Hired Gun]

Ive been waiting for this

Well I'm reading the rules for strictly stock and giving my option at the same time. I hopes of getting your option at the same time.

CARS:Must be V-8 or 6 cylinder, full sized, American made car for the Strictly Stock Division. No rear wheel drive independent rear suspension V8 cars.

Should be open to anything that runs 4 6 or 8 cylinder cars. Independent v-8 cars? their goes all t-birds and cougars and mark 8's counting OSW and NSS that rule alone killed 5 cars.

ENGINE: Completely stock engine for that year, make, model. Stock carburetor; 4 barrel maximum size. NO special ordered cars; NO high performance; NO boring: NO tinkering with engine. Heads: OEM, stock open chamber only for motor used in that year, make and model. METRIC CARS 305 C.I. MAXIMUM ENGINE

I agree with stock for year make and model...open chamber head only?...psst Mr. rule typer upper all 305's have closed chamber heads stock...dee ta dee

BRAKES: MUST RUN REAR BRAKE LIGHTS IN BACK!!!! come on I thought we were past this. HA I'm going to find the biggest red light i can. tehe

MISCELLANEOUS: May remove all flammables. Doors must be welded shut. Door panels may be removed to remove door glass only but must be replaced. Hood hinges must remain in stock location. All hoods MUST have hood pins; remove latches. Trunk MUST have hood pins; remove latch. All body sheet metal must be kept in place at all times. NO sheet metal screws – use POP RIVETS ONLY.

Um door panels are mostly plastic and it says to put them back in? but remove anything that can burn? hmmmm

Claim Rule: Any car can be claimed by anyone for $2,000. Owner of Claimed car may keep their seat and harnesses.

So I guess make it so cage, seat gauges,belts,window net,and fire extinguisher comes out in one piece

[Hired Gun]

I'm assuming there's no season championship or points kept in the strictly stock division, right? if you are essentially punished for winning races, points are irrelevant, right? I could see people slamming on the brakes in turn four trying to finish no better than second.

There is points. It's all they race for

[Todd McCreary]

I'm assuming there's no season championship or points kept in the strictly stock division, right?


i got an ... 8th place trophy in Strictly for 2009? for showing up for three races?

so ya they are, or were, keeping points.

if you don't keep points, there's even less reason for a Strictly to buy a FASCAR license.




I could see people slamming on the brakes in turn four trying to finish no better than second.

this has happened in previous years.

another option is that Neil Kirby ( since Hindman's Mark 8 has been outlawed, no legal v8 is competitive with the v6 Acura TLs / Probes / MX-6 class of cars ) could win 4 races by June and just not come back to the track for the rest of 2010.

then he could rinse and repeat in 2011. etc.

and it's all perfectly legal by the FASCAR rules. you didn't "force" anybody to do anything but come to the track less often. yippee!



but when you have experienced racers also in the class, those beginners get very frustrated and leave and just quit.

IF the beginners ask questions of the experienced drivers and IF the experienced drivers don't act like 2 year olds and actually help the noobs you don't have a problem.

[Hired Gun]

I don't know how many of you remember this but that is what they did years ago in the runabout class. You got so many wins, you had to move up period. Plus if you had moved up, you could not go back down to runabout

Strictly Stock should be novice class.

1. Then what do you do when everyone has won 5 or so races?

2. Stricktly stock is the lowest entry class therefore makes it novice.
Money is what most people and cars need to move up.

[Hired Gun]

exactly ! the majority of nss strictly stocks were pretty much super stocks on street tires . bolt on some 8in slicks,a few upgrades and do some real racin .

No where close.
My car is exactly how chevy built it in 76' of coarse minus interior and adding safety stuff and gauges

[Hired Gun]

ok , fascar rules are on the website. no lincolns , sorry william! roflmmfao !

And with that rule, fascar will let the probes and hondas lead the way haha

[1wildfastgirl24]

I'm assuming there's no season championship or points kept in the strictly stock division, right? if you are essentially punished for winning races, points are irrelevant, right? I could see people slamming on the brakes in turn four trying to finish no better than second.

LOL....that was exactly our point also about the 5 win limit glad someone sees it

We agree experienced or veteran drivers should not be racing in this class if it is made for novice drivers only,I think that is where some people are getting confused,I'm sorry just because a rookie driver who has raced in this class 3 years or less,and legally wins five races in a season does not make them an experienced or seasoned driver of any sort.

There is a novice class also on dirt at volusia the "4cyl.pure stock challengers" in order to race in this class you can't have any experience at all on dirt or asphalt it's for beginners only and they are only allowed to race in this class for three years max....if they choose to move up before the three years is up to another class that is thier choice but once they move up they cant move back down to it either,and Volusia usaly always has pretty good car counts of 15+ every week in that class,they dont make anyone move up just because they "legaly" won five races.
If it's certain people getting away with cheating and winning every week that is a whole different story then it's the tech and tracks fault for letting them do it and not sticking to thier rules which also discourages and causes the other drivers to quit.

Most people in this type of class does not have any extra money to move up just because they legaly won five races, My husband now races thunder stocks at volusia and this year my Son will also,we have two street/hobby stocks setting out back on jack stands one is a brand new one never raced he built at the beginning of last year and they just set there taking up space,Why because we cant afford hoosier 8" racing tires at about $140 bucks each that you have to buy atleast two or three of them every 3 to 4 races,plus all the high dollar motors and parts it would take to put in them to be atleast half way competitive with the others,Heck the only difference between them & sportsman is the 10" tire just about...there is guys putting $8,000 to 10,000 motors in them cars that is insane for a street/hobby stock....thunder stocks is a alot more affordable class for us and we can go out and have fun without spending a ton of money like he would if he was racing in the street stock class and is on $60 DOT tires that last all season just about. sorry to write a book jmo & 2 cents again LOL

[Hired Gun]

Win 5 and must move up??


This will be fun to watch...White flag is out, one more lap to go as the 89 of Hindman leads the 6.7 of McCreary and the 82, of Erb down the backstretch. Oh no! looks like are leader has had a malfunction of some kind because he is slowing to the topside of turn three! What's This! It seem that the Ford Probe of McCreary has run out of fuel in turn 4, That leaves Jim Erb in the 82 as our leader! But Wait all of the cars tires have locked up????? Is this some sort of brake problem for the 82??!! Or an invisible force field for racers that want to race again next week!!!!!

[straight up]

now william , im sure whatever you bring will be up front . of that i have no doubt !

[Hired Gun]

Never know... I got something for opening night we will see how it goes.

one hint
1974 Ford
or
1975
Dodge
haven't desided.

[straight up]

maybe a better way to handle this new idea fascar has would be to run this year as is , then next year start a second strictly stock class for the winners and champ to move up to . the only change to move up would be 8in slicks ,or 60 series tires .also making it a paying class . then as drivers won their 5 races they have somewhere to move up to without having to spend gobs of money . sort of like the a and b bombers used to be .

[Hired Gun]

I had mention something similar to that, I got the answer of "Then inside of of one class with a good car count,we would two classes with low car count."
but personally I'd be all for it

[straight up]

of course that would be their answer . they just cant seem to understand if you do things to make the drivers and fans happy your car count and fan base will grow . why would new drivers build cars if the rules and racing suck ? not to mention the embarrassing payouts . why would fans come each week if the show is the same each week ? they wont . when you take the fun out of racing you end up with a ghost town .