fascar rulebook

[pintodave]

"Lets have a drivers meeting and figure out why we don't have any cars in the pits..."

...or you could read the message board and save the hassle.

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ok , fascar rules are on the website . a few very good changes ! you strictly stock boys might wanna read em real close . and some are NOT going to be very happy . $ 2000 claim rule . no lincolns , sorry william ! win 5 races you move up . s.a.d.e. boys gotta pull out those 350' s . sportsman can run underslung chassis . still on ten inch tires though . now if we can get news on a better payoff ! roflmmfao !

[1wildfastgirl24]

ok , fascar rules are on the website . a few very good changes ! you strictly stock boys might wanna read em real close . and some are NOT going to be very happy . $ 2000 claim rule . no lincolns , sorry william !win 5 races you move up. s.a.d.e. boys gotta pull out those 350' s . sportsman can run underslung chassis . still on ten inch tires though . now if we can get news on a better payoff ! roflmmfao !

That sounds kinda crazy to make people move up if they win five races ,unless they are just trying to eliminate the division that is.....evently everyone will win five races then there will be no one left to race in that class.....then they are only hurting themselves more that way eliminating drivers at thier track because most people who race that class really can't afford to move up.

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i believe the intention is to cut down the cost of the class which has gotten out of hand . its a novice division . also to stop the flagrant cheating in the class . as far as moving up , i totaly agree if your that much better than everyone else , LEGALLY , then yes you should move up . rules also state if you get caught cheating too many times , you move up . fans dont want to see the same car win every week which is what we saw last year . they stop coming to watch . a real racer doesnt want to spend his entire career in strictly stocks . they want to go faster . if they cant afford to move up , then how did they afford to spend the money to cheat up the car ? i applaud fascar for reeling in this class . its about time .

[1wildfastgirl24]

Well cheating and "legally" winning five races is like comparing lemons to apples.... Now if your cheating and winning that is where the teching comes into play and is "suppose" to take care of that by dq'ing them for whatever they was illegal for....If they are caught cheating more than three times in a season I suggest they start putting them on 2 or 3 week suspensions from racing and maybe they will learn to start having thier cars right to the rules.Yes I understand this is a novice class for fastcar, why dont they make a limit of how long they can race in that class,like at most of the dirt tracks the 4cyl.pure stocks is the novice class and they can only race in that class for three years then they have to move up to another division.....But I think making a driver move up because they "legally" won five races is not going to improve the division any....why penalize someone for making good achivements in thier abilty to win five or more races per season.....now obviousley if they have the same winner every single week,Then they are most likely cheating...... I dont care who they are, they aint that damn good,and the track and teching officials are'nt doing thier job to prevent that from happening then.

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actually there not being penalized , there being given an opportunity to move up to a PAYING division and possibly advance their career . strictly stocks is a novice class . trophy only . not for experienced or veteran drivers . this is a common rule across the country and as it should be at all tracks . its called entry level for a reason . fascar is doing the right thing for the fans and all drivers .

[1wildfastgirl24]

actually there not being penalized , there being given an opportunity to move up to a PAYING division and possibly advance their career . strictly stocks is a novice class . trophy only . not for experienced or veteran drivers . this is a common rule across the country and as it should be at all tracks . its called entry level for a reason . fascar is doing the right thing for the fans and all drivers .

Who said anything about veterans/experienced drivers racing in the strictly stock novice class ....I said the drivers meaning the rookies/novice drivers in this class who has raced init 3 years or less should'nt be penalized and made to move up if they "legally" win five races per season, it does'nt make them a veteran or an experienced driver just because they won five races in a stricktly stock that was'nt cheated up LOL,Now if they are excessivly cheating every week winning and getting away with it thats a whole different ball game your talkin about,then that is a problem with tech not policing the issue and letting the rules get out of hand and not dq'ing them which adverts to the suspensions recommended I mentioned in above post if they keep getting caught cheating and the same rule applies to everyone......What do they do in the other classes that race when one driver dominates it or wins more than five times?, what do they do for the fans and the rest of the drivers in those divisions?.....LOL.

Whatever they decided to do is upto to them and time will tell how it turns out for everyone with that rule,wish you all lots of luck this year...Remember this is just my husband and I's two cents so don't shoot me LOL,we dont know anyone who runs in the strictly stocks on asphalt anymore we been on dirt for awhile so I did'nt comment on this trying to take up for anyone LOL....it is just that we never heard of a track making you move up if you win more than five times,just a honest opinion from us on it thats all nothing more

[Todd McCreary]

no lincolns , sorry william !

from the rules:
"No rear wheel drive independent rear suspension V8 cars."


rule book is up, one step forward.

arbitrarily throwing cars out, three steps backward.

it's really curious, because if they were that desperate to get rid of the Mark 8 all they had to do was point out that it was Fuel Injected.
"Stock carburetor; 4 barrel maximum size. "

yes, they've still got the carb rule in there.


i guess i shouldn't point out, again, that this carb rule DQ's almost every car at OSW



That sounds kinda crazy to make people move up if they win five races ,


this is an old rule that was removed a couple of years ago ( after they failed to throw out Rob Reynolds with a month to go in the season because "We're not going to throw out the points leader" ).

Rob has since moved up to a Mini Stock ... and doesn't show up at the race track much any more.

four steps backward.


D. If you borrow a car for points or otherwise, it must be within the same class.

what is this rule even for? you aren't even going to be allowed to race in more than one class per season from now on?

what if you've won 5 Strictly races? are you done for the year?

or you can bring as many cars of your own as you want in any class you want but you can't borrow any?

i don't understand.

the only way this makes any sense is if they're trying to keep Sportsman cars from being borrowed and run with Late Models or something.




D. Anyone, be it Car Owner, Driver, Crew Member and/or Family Member who performs an act or participates in actions deemed by FASCAR Officials as detrimental to the sport, including but not limited to verbal abuse of any FASCAR Official

i think back to that infamous chassis dyno incident and have to ask: "what penalties will FASCAR officials who verbally abuse competitors be subject too?"



The lead car, inside pole position ( my bolding ), starts the race on restarts. All divisions will comply with a double file restart. The pole car can choose the inside or outside lane.


according to this rule, if the leader chooses the outside line he gives up the right to restart the race. curious.





3. NO WHEEL WEIGHTS ALLOWED IN ANY DIVISION.


i see somebody noticed my comment on wheel weights being legal in the truck class.





there being given an opportunity to move up to a PAYING division


no they aren't.

very few of the Strictly Stock cars can be moved "up" to any class. for instance, v6 cars aren't legal for anything else. it's not possible to go anyplace but Mini Stock ( the FASCAR class is known as "Mod Mini" or "4 cyl Late Model elsewhere ) for the 4cyls.


those that can would require a significant investment. a "cheater" metric car with a 350 would be the easiest.

you're taking drivers who can't afford to spend a whole lot of money and telling them to leave the track.



should'nt be penalized and made to move up if they "legally" win five races per season


especially when the fields are tending to 10 cars or less. it's not going to be hard for somebody to win 5.



and possibly advance their career .

oh, brother.

it's a hobby, not a career. the "Little League" parents who are trying to turn their children into the next big thing are a big part of what's wrong with short track racing.

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strictly stocks are junkyard ENTRY LEVEL cars . the other classes are real racecars . thats why you have an entry level class to get experience in . not to make a career out of strictly stocks . if you win five times you have obviously done all you can in the class . time to move up . since you have been at volusia racing its understandable you havent seen how things have been at nss and osw . fascar has made a good decision to heal the wounds and repair the damage . they have to do whatever it takes to get the fans and racers back . leveling the playing field and enforcing the rules is the correct answer . example [ $ 2000 ] claim rule . keeps the cost down and stops the cheating .

[Todd McCreary]

not to make a career out of strictly stocks .


once again, very slowly this time:

IT'S

NOT

A

CAREER.

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easy todd ! wow maybe we should have worked alot harder on that waitress at dennys ! lol ! just a figure of speech man !

[Todd McCreary]

well i wish you'd stop trying to formulate rules off of a figure of speech.

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formulate rules ? i dont think so . thats fascars job . all im saying , jmo that if your in a strictly stock for that many years , [lets try this ] your making a lifelong hobby out of it .that better ? lol ! what works for some might not work for others . as with any rule change some are pissed and some are happy . the fans complained , they listened , if its a step in the right direction im all for it . we need the fans and car count to get better . whatever it takes .

[Winger]

Citrus had a similar rule that required drivers that won 3 "hobby" stock races to move up to the "pure" stock division. The cars were basically the same so that wasn't a problem. It made drivers that had the "hobby" stock division figured out run with tougher competition. I believe that it probably makes them better drivers in the long run. You never get better if you aren't challenged. This year Citrus has combined the 2 classes so it isn't relevant any more.

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exactly ! the majority of nss strictly stocks were pretty much super stocks on street tires . bolt on some 8in slicks,a few upgrades and do some real racin .