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I seen last night at New Smyrna that the 1 Superstock Chad Pierce had a crate engine. Are they going to be running crate engines in superstocks this year? If so, good call FASCAR. It will make it more affordable to race and more competitive.
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I doubt it
There are now alot of people "cheating up" the crates. I have seen it firsthand!sigpic -
RSB I thought the crates had shear bolts. How are they cheating if they can not take the engine apart?Originally posted by RSB View PostComment
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RSB I thought the crates had shear bolts. How are they cheating if they can not take the engine apart?
You must be joking ...right!?!?!?!?André FortinComment
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No I am not. Please explain andre. How are they cheating?Originally posted by andre View PostComment
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You Can Buy The Bolts.Comment
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Just a few months ago anyone could go on racingjunk or almost any racing classified site for that matter and order seal bolts for crate motors. They ran like $100 for a set of matching number bolts and they would send you instructions on who to break the old ones and put the new ones on. To be honest I don't think crate motors in the super stock class is the answer at all.Originally posted by blazer63 View PostComment
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Crate motor is like any other rule, it's not who wrote it or how it's written, it's how it's police.
Crate motor rule is OK , if it's police right. Check often, dyno them often, with no warning whatsoever, bring a portable wheel dyno to the track, check everybody, after a night of racing, take first 2 and one random, get the 3 motors, go to dyno shop and test them, take them apart. And probably the biggest point, if you happen to catch somebody illegal, don't remove his points and winning of the night, ban the racer(team) right there for the next 15 months, seize the motor, and couple thousands $ fine before he(she) can rejoin competition, no buts or ifs.André FortinComment
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You can also..uh.......be kind to your local approved crate engine builder.Originally posted by jg72 View Post
Normalcy is a myth. what is perfectly normal for the Cheetah, Becomes absolute chaos for the Antelope.Comment
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Nope
I aint sayimg nothin!!!Originally posted by Benny The Mule View PostYou can also..uh.......be kind to your local approved crate engine builder.
EXCEPT for anyone building a car it would be nice to know the rules before the green flag falls for the first race. Any MAJOR changes now will be for 2011 right??? JOKING!!!!
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shear bolts???
ain't that what comes on crate motors now, shear bolts??? I do not believe they seal them anymore so my understanding is they come from factpry with shear bolts. If they can't turn them out they "shear' them off, take her apart, I'm sure just to check them out, I already know no-one would do anything illegal,and put them back together!!Originally posted by blazer63 View PostComment
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No I am not. Please explain andre. How are they cheating?
and this immediately after Ricky Brooks busted three "crate motor" trucks for big cams at the Governors Cup...
http://www.realracinusa.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=7919
fact: it just isn't that hard to cheat up a "crate motor". especially for these kids whose dad's are buying them stacker haulers.
what's more disturbing to me is that a 602 crate ( apart from all the obvious tech advantages like alum racing intake and closed chamber heads ) nominally dynos at 350hp.
http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/En...&engCat=racing
when they had the chassis dyno out at OSW this fall, there wasn't a single Super Stock that pulled more than 220hp at the rear wheels. you're going to tell me there's 130hp lost through the drive train? is there going to be a weight penalty for running a "legal" crate motor? are you going to start letting the "home built" guys start using double hump or vortex heads?
Any MAJOR changes now will be for 2011 right??? JOKING!!
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do you really think a crate motor that has not been into will run
and be legal if so and the place you got it and you ain't been into it let me tear it down ,,, there is no way to keep any one from cheating wake up you ain't going to be 100% legal and win
i don't care who you are
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wake up you ain't going to be 100% legal and win
can we paint this across the back of your car?
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Crate engines could be a viableOPTIONfor people in the Super Stock class if the Tech is consistent and the "fixing" of these motors is kept to a minimum... Now note I say an option, not a mandatory thing, because there are competitive people in that division that don't spend an untold fortune on their Super stock motors. Don't forget, this is supposed to be a division that people who are moving up too can get into and learn things and do it at an affordable cost... Now mind you, the reason that this option is being explored is because some racers in the Super Stock division, no matter if it is at NSS, OSW, or some other track have gone to the next level and spent an untold fortune on their motors... Great for them, but it is tough to be consistent when someone spends more than $7,000 on a motor for a class that is supposed to be affordable...
As for the crate motor, there are several things that need to be addressed... If people run them in Super Stock the tracks need to be consistent in teching of them as well as the rest of the motors... Yes the 602 puts out 350 HP according to Chevy... That is more than any of the Super Stock motors including the "big ones"... But one must check on what specs the carb is, headers, etc. etc... If my memory serves me right doesn't a sportsmen car with a 602 crate run in the 19's with one in... Now that is a second or two faster than Super Stocks... Racing is racing... Since it began, people have been looking for ways to fix things, make things better, and excess money just makes it easier to do that fixing... Everyone knows that cheating is in racing, it is regrettably up to the tracks and/or sanctioning bodies to check this out and tech all the cars... At times this works and at times it doesn't work...
Enough of my rambling for now... Be forewarned, I may open my big mouth later...Last edited by flraceguy; 01-04-2010, 11:18 AM.Comment
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