Desoto invitational

[OldSchool+]

Indeed, but there is more to the story than that.

Do you think there would be more or less "incidents" with single file resarts?

Do you think there would be more or less starting two by two 1-2-3-4 like Cup?

To take it to the extreme, how about restarting half the field clockwise and the other half counter-clockwise?

Hey, it won't be the car's fault... (hint, it is the rule's "fault"--assuming it is a fault).

Still, beyond all that--when they have Auburndale style restarts--especially at Auburndale-- one can count on more excitement, regardless.

Is there a name for that type of restart other than "the Auburndale restart"?

[Weftracing96]

Well, truthfully, I stopped going to tracks with single file restarts. It got to be so boring.

[openwm53]

Stuart

Not sure anyone will ever be happy. Lol. Guys wanted cheaper tires. Check. They are cheaper. Want faster cars and tires. Speeds were up in all classes. Check. Tires that last. Well they are no more worn out than a Hoosier after a 100 laps. They would all but ew tires again anyway. Really who runs tires again after a 100 lap race. Lol. So I'd say check. So why are they bad. Because it's different. Just stay home I guess. Stuart Vandevender. 36 sportsman

I really don't care what you guys run on your 3000 pound sportsman. All I said is that from what I have been told from the mod guys they are like the grooved they forced us on 5 years ago......Mods should be on slicks. Hoosier/ American / Goodyear grooved. I don't like em. Some do. Some don't. By the way. How much cheaper are they ?? I pay 515 for slicks..............p.s. No way in hell they are faster than Hoosier F 53's

[crystal]

I personally would rather have sportsman on F53 tires too but American racer don't have them. They are grooved and comparable to the Hoosier. Seems all tracks are going to the grooved. I too prefer slicks. I see why they changed to American racers as a business. It made sense. But as a racer it is a pain to have two sets. It is no comparison to a slick by no means but it's what they have. Unless you want to gun the 10" slick.

[openwm53]

I would

love to run the 10" slick....lol. What is the cost of these american racers ? I actually had a long talk with Ronnie Barcelona. (Desoto Promoter) before they came out. He told me that they were under 100$ a piece ? Is that true ? I told him that it was a mistake. We have been here before. He said that they offered a big points fund ? lol lol heard that before too.

Showtime..........hoosier f-53
A-dale.............American grooved
desoto............American grooved

Nss............?
Citrus........coming soon.....?
Bronson........?

Yes it was a buisness decision. Tracks need to make money. Got all that. Fans want good , fast side by side racing. Weft.........did you see the eddie brann at desoto a few years back. On slicks ? lead changes and side by side till the end ? Seperating the men from the boys is B.S. Most anyone who straps in ....is a man. These tires get greasy after a few laps and it will be alot more follow the leader.

[Renegade Racing Fuels]

Congratulations to Devin, he drove a very smart race.

[crystal]

They are not much less but for some of us it helps. Lol. Mine were 499.00 mounted. So not under 100 a piece. I wish

[BallewM]

Nss............?
Citrus........coming soon.....?
Bronson........?

NSS runs the Hoosier 750 grooved and I'm pretty sure Bronson runs the same.

[Modowner]

Cheaper yes 499.00 mounted positive
Faster no .2 slower qualifing and race negative
Speed Dropoff yes .5 in as little as 5 laps negative
Forgiving no .4 after you piss off negative
Raceablity no follow the leader negative

Tell me how this is going to equate to more cars on a weekly bases, they will go race somewhere else. Also a lot of drivers stayed home because of the tires, only 15 of the 30 cars that where going to come showed up.

This is from a driver owner who was there and raced this race

[crystal]

It's not a traveling series. Most guys run the same track over and over. So it will help showtime as most loyal guys will stay there because newsymrna is only other track running right now on Hoosiers. And they stay there. Most don't travel. The ones that do will buy new tires all the time anyway. Time will tell. I prefer slicks too. Just put every one on 10 inch slick right down to purestocks. Then they can sell there take offs to the lower classes. Win win. Never gonna happen so I guess we run what they put out there. Agreed all grooved tires suck. Not just for the mods.

[openwm53]

Stuart

Yes we are at the mercy of the tracks and the tires they run and the rules they inforce. There are 4 tracks on the west coast that really should pull together and make everything the same. that would make it easier to go from track to track. It would simply turn into travel exspense.

1. Desoto
2. showtime
3. A-dale
4. Bronson

Hopefully soon

5. citrus
6. Punta gorda

If Citrus re opens and runs slicks. Showtime adopted their mod rules. I would say good luck to everyone else.

P.S. Congrats to Devin Again........very smart driving

[Weftracing96]

love to run the 10" slick....lol. What is the cost of these american racers ? I actually had a long talk with Ronnie Barcelona. (Desoto Promoter) before they came out. He told me that they were under 100$ a piece ? Is that true ? I told him that it was a mistake. We have been here before. He said that they offered a big points fund ? lol lol heard that before too.

Showtime..........hoosier f-53
A-dale.............American grooved
desoto............American grooved

Nss............?
Citrus........coming soon.....?
Bronson........?

Yes it was a buisness decision. Tracks need to make money. Got all that. Fans want good , fast side by side racing. Weft.........did you see the eddie brann at desoto a few years back. On slicks ? lead changes and side by side till the end ? Seperating the men from the boys is B.S. Most anyone who straps in ....is a man. These tires get greasy after a few laps and it will be alot more follow the leader.

A business decision yes, but not for the reasons many people might think. If drivers can't afford to race because they are spending all their money on new tires, then you've already lost the battle. The track obviously recognizes that the racers are the show and it needs the racers there. Bleeding them dry with tires that don't last is bad for the long term. Perhaps some guys can afford new tires every single week, but without your budget racers, you end up with a short field. Doug, I have watched you race for a long time and I have a lot of respect for you. If you don't like how things are, then I can respect that as it's your money and your prerogative on how to spend it. I see a track working really hard to put on a good and balanced product for everyone involved. Not everyone will agree or like everything. But if you do get the itch, it's a nice place and the staff will go out of its way to make you feel welcome and treat you fair. That goes without saying for everyone.

As for the race itself, there was no junk in that field. Only one car went a lap down during a 70 lap green flag run, and that car wasn't even by any means off the pace or uncompetitive. Everyone was on the same playing field, and the guys who run upfront whether it is at New Smyrna, Showtime, A-dale, or any other track in Florida were the guys running upfront for the win. The cream will always rise to the top.

[crystal]

Agreed. PS. Heard someone's bid was accepted at punta gorda. We will see

[openwm53]

Weft

A business decision yes, but not for the reasons many people might think. If drivers can't afford to race because they are spending all their money on new tires, then you've already lost the battle. The track obviously recognizes that the racers are the show and it needs the racers there. Bleeding them dry with tires that don't last is bad for the long term. Perhaps some guys can afford new tires every single week, but without your budget racers, you end up with a short field. Doug, I have watched you race for a long time and I have a lot of respect for you. If you don't like how things are, then I can respect that as it's your money and your prerogative on how to spend it. I see a track working really hard to put on a good and balanced product for everyone involved. Not everyone will agree or like everything. But if you do get the itch, it's a nice place and the staff will go out of its way to make you feel welcome and treat you fair. That goes without saying for everyone.

As for the race itself, there was no junk in that field. Only one car went a lap down during a 70 lap green flag run, and that car wasn't even by any means off the pace or uncompetitive. Everyone was on the same playing field, and the guys who run upfront whether it is at New Smyrna, Showtime, A-dale, or any other track in Florida were the guys running upfront for the win. The cream will always rise to the top.

I agree with you completely. I have no issue with Desoto at all. I have reached out to them about the chassis and other issues. I want to run at Desoto. I have raced at Desoto. My issue is a different tire being introduced. I too am a budget racer. I cannot afford several rims and buying different tires at every track. It will keep me and others in one location until they realize what they done to themselves ( AGAIN). One tire, One set of rules, I will haul my junk to your track and race................Kinda simple to me. As for the race............i was suprised at how some of the cars were falling behind. And some dam good dars 42, 25, 8 these guys are fast everywhere. That alone tells me this tire will force you to change your car..........if it lasts has yet to be determined. P.S.............why cant we find a 8" slick a little more durable than the f-53 but with thye same soft side wall and run them at all tracks in florida on mods, sports,street,4cyl mods and anything else needing a racing tire. I would be the first to give away all my tires after 2 or 3 races.

[turnleft]

unbelievable

The fact that the open wheeled modified's are not all on the same tires and same rules in the state of Florida is stupendous, Period. And the tracks keep wondering why the car count keeps dropping! You would think one day all the tracks would get together and do this, but I can tell it will never happen, too many people that know everything about racing. Vince P.