Future of modifieds

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Desoto

Has adopted the same rules too. 3 1/4" from bottom A frame hole to bottom of cross member. Both tracks add 25 pounds. Both tracks continue to say that the stock clip has to be within 36" from center of rear end. This means that we still have to have that stock frame rail running down the side of the driver.

[OldSchool+]

"Apparently showtime adopted the 17 amd 27" rule. No mention of ford lowers. Its funny that my clip as well as many many others measures 18 and 28."--DM

So, your frame is legal, and the narrower frame is also legal with a 25lb weight penalty, correct?

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Yep

Yes Sir..........

[OldSchool+]

Thank you.


"Both tracks continue to say that the stock clip has to be within 36" from center of rear end. This means that we still have to have that stock frame rail running down the side of the driver."--DM

So... presumably a fab clip car has the fab clip welded onto a length of left side factory frame rail?

Think how lonely that chunk of rail must feel...

[UREZ2PASS]

Thank you.


"Both tracks continue to say that the stock clip has to be within 36" from center of rear end. This means that we still have to have that stock frame rail running down the side of the driver."--DM

So... presumably a fab clip car has the fab clip welded onto a length of left side factory frame rail?

Think how lonely that chunk of rail must feel...

Fab clip cars don't have to weld a piece of stock clip to the chassis and most stock clip cars do not incorporate the stock frame side rails into the chassis. Most are trimmed to a flat piece that does nothing but make the car fit that STUPID rule.

[OldSchool+]

Really?

So the fab clip cars get yet another potential advantage?

[UREZ2PASS]

Really?

So the fab clip cars get yet another potential advantage?

No, many stock clip cars don't use the side rails. Some do, some don't, and some only have the outer portion of the rails there for appearance.

That rule was circumvented years ago by some of the stock clip car builders.

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EZ

I still have both side rails. And its written in all the rule books. YES STUPID but its in there. I have it where its been shaved next to my left leg but the worst part is what we call the ankle breaker down by my feet. It is a rule but you may be correct that its not inforced. Although i seen it on several new cars that I have been looking at. Howe, port city ect. ect.

Im cutting mine out and they can all bite me. Fab clips open up lots of issues.

[OldSchool+]

You know, there is an entire off season to update and co-ordinate rules with other tracks.

Car count is an issue. If a guy builds a new car to the rules (as Doug pretty much is doing) and then other cars circumvent the rules and have an advantage--and are allowed to run, is that guy more or less likely to feel "cheated"? Is that guy more or less likely to be in the field moving forward?

Look, cantilevered F1 springs are fine with me. 70% left side is fine.

But the rules should state what is legal, and if a car is outside of that, imo it should have weight added that evening and a written list be given to the car owner to correct before the car can return.

I hope at some point the "powers that be" start looking at the forest, rather than schmoozing individual trees.

[UREZ2PASS]

FYI- NSS does not require the stock clip frame rails. It's been that way for years. I'm almost positive it was a rule that was done away with before fab clips were allowed.

This crusade against fab clips is a waste of time. Rickey Brooks has clarified the rules and they are fair. They can be seen on the NSS website. Any track that don't use these rules for modifieds is probably catering to one chassis builder. You know the one. LOL !

A statewide set of rules should be the crusade. Otherwise, it's a crusade to have the rules fit what a handful of people want. For Pete's sake, the cars are called modifieds, not spec no fendered super stocks. They are also not spec no fendered late models.

[OldSchool+]

"A statewide set of rules should be the crusade."--EZ

Yup. That and uniform enforcement.

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EZ

FYI- NSS does not require the stock clip frame rails. It's been that way for years. I'm almost positive it was a rule that was done away with before fab clips were allowed.

This crusade against fab clips is a waste of time. Rickey Brooks has clarified the rules and they are fair. They can be seen on the NSS website. Any track that don't use these rules for modifieds is probably catering to one chassis builder. You know the one. LOL !

A statewide set of rules should be the crusade. Otherwise, it's a crusade to have the rules fit what a handful of people want. For Pete's sake, the cars are called modifieds, not spec no fendered super stocks. They are also not spec no fendered late models.

I do not race at NSS and Ricky brooks is not my tech man nor is he the god of racing.......Read all the posts where he personally changed the dam rule book. He made changes in red and allowed motors to be dropped 1 " at NSS. So guess what. Bring a NSS car to showtime or Desoto and they are Illegal......Unless its the new series that he is teching for.

It is also clear that the fab clips have gotten out of hand. The 17 and 27" rule is exactly what a chevelle measures not a big monty. The fab clips have been introduced in our class for two reasons. Ease of replacement and clearance issues with a stock clip. I browsed the entire port city catalog just last night and wow.....look at the fully adjustable fab front clip that you can purchase..........if your track allows it!!!!!

And yes they are modifieds..introduced as a budget cookie cutter class after WW1 or 2. I firmly believe that they should let us modify the bodies so that they all have their own little quirks and differences. Modify the bodies....Do not turn them to late models especially the front end geometry. Did I say that Ricky Brooks is not the last word end all in my book or the west coast racers...................P.S. showtime and desoto clearly state the 36" frame rail rule...... whether or not inforced who the hell knows

[UREZ2PASS]

Doug, you lost me on that last post. Are you now worried about the chevelle clips and measurements ?

NSS rules were amended for various reasons, all to promote competition.

Ricky Brooks is the upmost authority, everyone else should bow in his presence. LOL !

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EZ

No sir ......no worries about the Chevelle I actually measured 3 different clips last night. My big impala a chevelle and a howe fab stock clip. The fab stock clip is slotted. I did find out if you add a plate to the bottom of the cross member that you can fudge the pick up points with the fab clip. 1/2" plate = 1/2 inch drop. Easily making it 3 inches instead of the rules............just saying

[UREZ2PASS]

No sir ......no worries about the Chevelle I actually measured 3 different clips last night. My big impala a chevelle and a howe fab stock clip. The fab stock clip is slotted. I did find out if you add a plate to the bottom of the cross member that you can fudge the pick up points with the fab clip. 1/2" plate = 1/2 inch drop. Easily making it 3 inches instead of the rules............just saying

You would have to raise the ride height of the chassis by 1/2" due to ground clearance rules. We already thought of that. LOL !

Also, a good fabricator could lower the stock clip pick-up points between the framerails if he wanted to put forth the effort, but then again there are ground clearance rules.