Future of modifieds

[chassisdude]

Now I know how he got his name, easy to pass, he must of been easy to pass not understanding how important those mounting points are to handling of a race car. Just curious do you have any idea what a roll center or moment center is, how you find it, what it relates to as far as weight transfer??

[UREZ2PASS]

Now I know how he got his name, easy to pass, he must of been easy to pass not understanding how important those mounting points are to handling of a race car. Just curious do you have any idea what a roll center or moment center is, how you find it, what it relates to as far as weight transfer??

If you read what I wrote before or maybe you didn't comprehend. The pick up points can be relocated on all clips. Let me know if yours passes the pick up point when tech checks it.

I can guarentee you, you are not getting beat by a fab clip, it's the other stuff you don't get right.

[OldSchool+]

Doug,

Does your chassis articulation software indicate that your Impala clip will get you to the specs provided in the circle track article?

http://www.hotrod.com/features/1601-...rets-revealed/

Of course, one has to assume that they only told us what they wanted us to hear, which may or may not be the total extent of what they are running at the track...

[chassisdude]

If you read what I wrote before or maybe you didn't comprehend. The pick up points can be relocated on all clips. Let me know if yours passes the pick up point when tech checks it.

I can guarentee you, you are not getting beat by a fab clip, it's the other stuff you don't get right.

Well getting passed , never got beat by a Fab clip, we have tech guys at the 5 tracks we have raced at and in the rules it states stock clip , no moving of pick-up points and in bold letters ,NO FAB CLIPS. Oh by the way, must have most of my stuff right, a dash car every night and top 3 in most features. Look you want the Fab clip I just think it is not fair to all the guys running stock clips that a few money guys want to ruin the modified class here in Florida. You like Fab clips , buy a late model and spend 20 to 30 thousand for a chassis and leave us poor working guys have our modifieds

[openwm53]

OLD school

Doug,

Does your chassis articulation software indicate that your Impala clip will get you to the specs provided in the circle track article?

http://www.hotrod.com/features/1601-...rets-revealed/

Of course, one has to assume that they only told us what they wanted us to hear, which may or may not be the total extent of what they are running at the track...

His article contradicts what his books say. He is not giving up his secrets. I will soon let you know if optimum moment center can be achieved with a stock clip. He used key words like stock type spindals. Spindals play a key role in this. All types of spindals out there..........just have to be stock type. spindals,adjustable ball joints,longer A-frames,narrower frames. bump steer clearance. Could be a bad thing for you when you force a redneck to educate himself.

[OldSchool+]

"Could be a bad thing for you when you force a redneck to educate himself."--DM

Indeed. Bad for the competition.

[openwm53]

Chassis

Well getting passed , never got beat by a Fab clip, we have tech guys at the 5 tracks we have raced at and in the rules it states stock clip , no moving of pick-up points and in bold letters ,NO FAB CLIPS. Oh by the way, must have most of my stuff right, a dash car every night and top 3 in most features. Look you want the Fab clip I just think it is not fair to all the guys running stock clips that a few money guys want to ruin the modified class here in Florida. You like Fab clips , buy a late model and spend 20 to 30 thousand for a chassis and leave us poor working guys have our modifieds

A-MEN..........Add 100 pounds of total weight to the fab clips. stock lower mounting points and run whatever bolts on......that would be a simple easy end to this . It would piss off the guys trying to use the weight break thing for crate motors...lol

[UREZ2PASS]

Well getting passed , never got beat by a Fab clip, we have tech guys at the 5 tracks we have raced at and in the rules it states stock clip , no moving of pick-up points and in bold letters ,NO FAB CLIPS. Oh by the way, must have most of my stuff right, a dash car every night and top 3 in most features. Look you want the Fab clip I just think it is not fair to all the guys running stock clips that a few money guys want to ruin the modified class here in Florida. You like Fab clips , buy a late model and spend 20 to 30 thousand for a chassis and leave us poor working guys have our modifieds

You've never been beat by a fab clip ? LOL ! Then you've not raced in Florida much because there's lots of working men with fab clips. Many would rather spend their time doing something other than sanding and grinding on an old rusty stock clip. Many of these same working men would rather send their cars out to a chassis shop when they need a clip replaced. Why pay a guy to sand, grind, and prep an old rusty chunk of steel that may be bent when for the same or less money he can get a new fab clip installed.

You keep clutching to that old printed rule book from up nawth and complaining about something that will not change.

[UREZ2PASS]

A-MEN..........Add 100 pounds of total weight to the fab clips. stock lower mounting points and run whatever bolts on......that would be a simple easy end to this . It would piss off the guys trying to use the weight break thing for crate motors...lol

If the lower pick up points are the same, there is no reason to add 100 lbs. to a clip that only saves about 40 lbs.

You guys should be more worried about all the cheated up stock clips. They are out there and there's a bunch of them.

[openwm53]

Mod

Doug I do not want to take any thing away from Anderson or Josh.

BUT they were using TC at the Eddie race and we do not know for how long they had it. The track bought the box and it was checked by MSD, no bull on this one this is fact.

Also 2 races ago at Showtime a Fab clip won that race.

Please P.M. me if you would like because i would certainely like to know the truth.........

[shorttrackcar1]

His article contradicts what his books say. He is not giving up his secrets. I will soon let you know if optimum moment center can be achieved with a stock clip. He used key words like stock type spindals. Spindals play a key role in this. All types of spindals out there..........just have to be stock type. spindals,adjustable ball joints,longer A-frames,narrower frames. bump steer clearance. Could be a bad thing for you when you force a redneck to educate himself.

yea that write up was nothing but a smoke screen. circle track has their name on a car that has won a lot of races. now they sure look stupid when they find out the car had traction control device and who knows what else . yea brag about that . now I will tell you all a secret about racing there is no secrets ANYMORE some of theses older guys think they are smarter and everybody else is just stupid. well anybody who has been in racing know all the tricks as well . at the end of the day the guy cheating he's the stupid one .

[OldSchool+]

Don't know about smarter, but we theoretically should be getting wiser.

Once again, if a Team leaves the track with the money and the trophy, they were legal, imo.

The track decides if they do, not the competitor. That is why there have been suggestions for better tech and more uniform rules.

[UREZ2PASS]

I'll leave you guys with this,

A stock clip designed from computer software should have a 100 lb weight penalty because it's an unfair advantage over a guy with a tape measure and strings. LOL ! The end result of the stock clip computer assisted geometry will be the same as a fab clips geometry except its a few lbs heavier.

Why struggle with an old stock clip when the same results can be had by welding on a fab clip ? Are the smart guys trying to hold back us not so smart guys ?

But wait, who's really the smart guys anyway ? LOL !

Great debate over clips anyway. I'm impressed with the work Doug has done on his stock clip. Lots of elbow grease, grinding, and thought put into it. Hope you get it right and have a successful season.

P.S. Doug, we have used the software and had many different results due to measurements. It's crucial to measure from the correct point of the suspension parts. One little mistake will throw off the whole deal. As you will see, it's much harder to do than inputting a few numbers in the program.

[openwm53]

EZ

I'll leave you guys with this,

A stock clip designed from computer software should have a 100 lb weight penalty because it's an unfair advantage over a guy with a tape measure and strings. LOL ! The end result of the stock clip computer assisted geometry will be the same as a fab clips geometry except its a few lbs heavier.

Why struggle with an old stock clip when the same results can be had by welding on a fab clip ? Are the smart guys trying to hold back us not so smart guys ?

But wait, who's really the smart guys anyway ? LOL !

Great debate over clips anyway. I'm impressed with the work Doug has done on his stock clip. Lots of elbow grease, grinding, and thought put into it. Hope you get it right and have a successful season.

P.S. Doug, we have used the software and had many different results due to measurements. It's crucial to measure from the correct point of the suspension parts. One little mistake will throw off the whole deal. As you will see, it's much harder to do than inputting a few numbers in the program.

Ez, I am finding that the fab clips give you alot more clearance for things over the stock locations. And yes the proper measurements are tricky and important. Its not easy making a late model out of a IMCA modified

[openwm53]

Showtime

Apparently showtime adopted the 17 amd 27" rule. No mention of ford lowers. Its funny that my clip as well as many many others measures 18 and 28.

At least they are trying to be consistent.