Future of modifieds

[OldSchool+]

Look, again, Dick Anderson is beside the point.

He works hard, Josh drives hard. Dickie has been one of my favorite drivers since the 70s. Got it.

But he did re-clip the car between EB and NSS. Even that is beside the point.

The point is, weight is a rule, engine set back is a rule, and so on.

What is the rule for front suspension geometry?

Further, is it the same from Desoto to Showtime to Auburndale to New Smyrna?

[Wrenchhead]

front clip

if you need a clip call amf get it on car and race go to work and proceed there legal end of story

[Don Nerone]

Don,

What is legal?

The Impala clip? The AMF clip?

Is the AMF clip a tube Impala copy? Are the lower control arm adjustments legal? What are the limits, if any, on those adjustments?

Ride height?

As mentioned, "the majority" are running those, but where is the line drawn? Clearly, one wants to be faster than the majority if possible.

What geometry is illegal?

It would be a shame to weld up a clip with say, NE mod geometry (assuming it is not one of the above), and bring a car to the track just to find out it is illegal.

Cant say what is only what was. I have been gone for years now and that is for someone else to say.
There was a clip tool made and we had one at most of the tracks. Im sure that is all gone now. The aftermarket clip had all the stock mounting spots.
As far as lower a frames in my day they had to be stock ford or chevy and you could use aftermarket ball joints. Most of the good cars had ford but it was about 50%.
I don't think that I was for the clip change then but we went with the rest of the tracks so that the rules would be the same.

don62

[modmini55]

From what I have been told by quite a Few people the AMF clip suspension pick up points / geometry are off of a camaro clip which are better than a Impala and that's what all the fuss is about! You can't run a camaro clip on a modified so why is this legal!

[OldSchool+]

BTW, 84-96 Corvette A-Frames are forged aluminum & look like jewelry...

[openwm53]

This chassis has been around a very long time but the problem is no one on asphalt is running a small metric frame. The majority are using a big impala clip with 1 or 2 ford lowers. The clip on Josh Todd's car or the rf ford lower control arm is not why he's winning races. They work on the car and give the kid credit he a pretty good shoe and did i mention they work on their car instead of whining on a message board. The AMF clip is a tube clip at a far price.
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.

Ricky,

I cant believe that you are on here saying what you are saying

Majority are using 1 or 2 ford lowers ? maybe at NSS but at showtime , Citrus, A dale thats B.S. Isnt the front width rule wider at NSS than any other track ?

A metric clip is from a G.M. motor car from 1978 to 1989 if I am not mistaken. Caprice, Rear wheel drive caddy, Impala,station wagon.......many more

A small metric frame would be a malibu, chevelle and yes the camaro

Again I will say this.......I dont give a crap what Mr. Anderson is doing. Especially when tech guys dont even know one clip from the other..............

Maybe this is the real reason we are all over the place with the rules. As for whining. Thats why im doing my homework pal, because i work harder than most.

Do you know why they are running the ford lowers and the camaro geometry ? I would say for one reason is lower roll center. It changes the pick up point measurements............

Old school or someone.............Please go to johnson website ......go to GM metric project Read the document.........If you can post the document....I will try again....apparently someone didnt take the time to read it. Before he posted and talked crap........techman..........hmmmph

[openwm53]

Doug, I have a stock clip cut out of a full size metric car already I'd be willing to part with. Send me an email mark.ballew83@gmail.com

Merry Christmas everyone!

Mark,

That would be great. It would be way better for me to just go with factory. I am sending email now.

[openwm53]

Don

And the tibe clip was added to the mod rules in 2004 at NSS and Desoto speedway.
There have been many of these cars in the last years so why the big push now.
Rember when no one wanted a spec engine then Anderson got one and it became a big deal.
Ricky said that there legal and that is that.
Get one or don't it is ur call the teq man made his call and the ball is in ur cort..

don62

I think you were called out in a recent post as being one of the reasons we have the tube clips in our class.

Ricky,

Is the camaro geometry and the Metric geometry (impala) both legal where you tech ??????
The measurements dam sure arent the same.............

[OldSchool+]

Doug,

#1, I would talk to Yoho.

#2, I would suggest continuing your research. There is a reason that folks are jiving around with the clips. If you can find the measurements, maybe build cardboard models of each and articulate.

I suspect it has to do with roll center and camber gain. No point in welding for a week just to be behind the curve, technology wise.

Maybe check out the NE mods and find out what they are running, and then get as close as you can in the junkyard.

Finally, I think I know where some full sized Impala clips may be.

Back in the day, Wayne Heckle ran one when the others ran the small metric stuff. We did not talk about it, but his car was fast...

[openwm53]

Old school

I actually have a left hander fab clip.......its a camaro with the slotted holes

This Johnson clip is a replica of big metric.........one hole for the lower

The port city is a camaro geometry........slotted

By the way...Brad from left hander is talking about building the big metric replica's because they cant supply stock anymore.

The ford lowers are no longer in their catalog ???

I spoke with G.M. from Bradenton and he is promoting the proper measurements ????

It just so happens that I have two ford lowers from the past.........Tell me camaro geometry is legal and im on it............

Wish i could post that document from Johnson........proves that we let too much crap slide in our class..........its easy to just follow suit.

Jimmy Cope is still doing it right. I would love to see someone ask his opinion.........

[Don Nerone]

It's cool to hear people bitch about Anderson.
Hey did race mods years ago.
Does any remember how many he won?
All of them!!
He has lost a few this time so it gaining on him.
Lol
Don62

[50racer]

We bought a port city clip and try to place it on the impala jig. We found that if you cut it in half and add 1" to widen it out the fab clip will fit the jig. You then place washers on the lower points and weld them in place. You now have a fab clip that meets all the points of the Impala. This is fact you just have to have the lower pick up points.

[openwm53]

Thanks 50

That could be an option form me. They say the center of the 5 scalloped holes. Keep in mind as you relocate those pick up points for roll center measurements everything changes........hence the ford lowers..

[openwm53]

Here ya go

From the Johnson chassis website GM__METRIC_CHASSIS_PROGRAM.pdf plain and simple

[openwm53]

Howe and Port City

Just got a chance to look at the Port city and Howe websites. It seems that Port city only offers tube clips. Howe offers OEM replicas. One is a Impala Big Metric and the other is the chevelle. Two different animals.

So Mr. Brooks are they both legal at your track or is it one or the other ?

Critter, I know you are on here........whats A dale rule?

Rick Day, I know you are reading this..........whats Showtime say ?

Ronnie Bacelo , What is Desoto's decision ?