OSW Well this speaks volumes.

[Phil Jacques]

Suddenly my rants dont seem so far fetched now do they


Look. I know I come across as a "know it all" but its all with the best intentions. I love this sport and i love FL and i am trying to help you guys realize how bad the problem really is. It's not just FL its everywhere. We are lucky here. Extremely lucky. We have many long time and deeply rooted racing families. Florida can probably call 15 cars per division successful. But I don't even see that. Since 20p1 when I went to my first FL race, I have seen slow pregression but progression none the less. I add my .02 on everything because I believe it will help. Like the video I posted earlier with the Waterford GM. Sure, our track owner has money. But truthfully he hasn't put much in yet. Its all been hard work and effort. Once the pieces of the puzzle are all assembled, the track should pay for itself. Thats how it happens with any successful entertained venue. You guys have the pieces. Just need to assemble them.

[UREZ2PASS]

Does any asphalt circle track race draw that size crowd in Florida ? Not counting NASCAR.

[UREZ2PASS]

Does any asphalt circle track race draw that size crowd in Florida ? Not counting NASCAR.

Opps, wrong blue

[Phil Jacques]

Does NASCAR even draw that many? Lol!

[elmer]

Opps, wrong blue

EZ you forgot these!!! LOL

[shorttrackcar1]

Funny thing is take alook at the pics that they posted on facebook when the cars are on the track driting the stands where empty about 30 people in the stands watching it. The rest of the people must have been in the in back pits look like a car show or swap meet to me didnt look like that many people where intrested in watching the drifting. zoom in on the pics and look.

[OldSchool+]

And so...?

Phil,

Aight, for sure, there are a lot of people in the Speedyworld parking lot & facility.

But...there are no Dale Jr shirts in the crowd because, as has been pointed out, they are not race cars nor are those race fans--and they are not racing.

It might as well be ice hockey or bassetball.

And so... so what? Money for the track owner, but he clearly likes to carry his money off and not lose it on the real roundy rounders.

MAYBE reinvesting it into stock car racing would eventually garner a return, but it appears that is not of interest. And that is his money and his prerogative.

And the drifting crowd is largely a young, import crowd fascinated with their own deal. They do not like stock car racing. It is the "old" way done by old folks, and they are busy with their rebellious years and all that.

Mini stocks are seemingly of no interest to them. And they are certainly paying their own way and doing their own thing.

More power to them, but from a racing point of view, it is neither here nor there, like "pro" wrasslin'.

[OldSchool+]

ps--After looking at that parking lot I would be thinking about inviting the "slideways set" to my track about once a month on a Sunday if I were a Promoter.

Bobby: "The Rent-Paying Ricers of the Raceway" comes to mind...

[Phil Jacques]

OS. You are part of the problem. You ignore everything factual laid out in front of you and go in your own world

Here is the bottom line. Those kids and older fans became interested drifting for one reason... ENTERTAINMENT. Is circle track in FL entertaining? In some instances, yes. But the majority of it is not. Its single file spread out follow the leader boredom. You don't have enough cars on track most nights at most places to make anything even interesting. Couple that with the fact that the fastest car starts first and slowest starts last there and it's even worse. With drifting, sure its 2 at a time, but they are side by side swinging the cars around making contact and huge clouds of smoke. It's not just a controled slide either. Those guys are truly driving those cars like that. The sound the smell and the action has audiences captured.

You are stuck in 1975 or earlier eternally. Its not 1975 so get the hell off it. Its 2015 and things are much different and mentalities have to change OR OUR SPORT WILL DIE COMPLETELY. Until you and the majority of the rest of Florida get that, you will continue to have 8 or 9 car fields at the best in most places with no fans.

Its done perfectly many other places as I have mentioned in areas with worse economies than FL such as Bowman Gray and some tracks in the midwest as well as dirt. Stop making me the bad guy for pointing out the truth old man. Take a look in the mirror for a change.

[OldSchool+]

"OS. You are part of the problem. "--Phil
I can deal with that being your opinion.

"Its not 1975 so get the hell off it."--Philmore
Er, it is 1975 here in my wallet. It was last night at Showtime, and that is where the money came out of my wallet and was passed on to a track, which remarkably puts on a 1975-style show. And whatever happened to you "aren't telling others what to do?"

Not only that, your perception is not accurate. Here is the 3,000 lb elephant stuck in the middle of your argument: How does one integrate non-racing with the racing, since neither camp is particularly interested? Not just me, Phil, both camps. Actually if they wanted to run a judged drifting "feature" it would be fine with me any weekend.

Or, how does one make drifting offset running a circle track? I suggested running an exclusive drifting event from time to time to offset the circle track racing costs.

Any more real world suggestions, or just soap-boxing?

"Stop making me the bad guy for pointing out the truth old man. Take a look in the mirror for a change."--Really, Phil?
Am not accepting any of that, for it is pure fiction and not associated with me or my intent.

[Matt Albee]

There haven't been that many cars in the parking lot at OSW in the last 10 years ( maybe even put together ), so drifting obviously draws a much larger crowd than stock cars in the greater Bithlo area. You also might have noticed that while nascar races are now shown on tv networks no one gets, the X-Games are shown on regular broadcast channels, even the events that seem kinda simple minded.
The next wave is here, it's the young guys and their turbo charged tire smokin sideways racing. Yes, i said racing. It doesn't look like what we've watched through the years, but it's racing. I'm just waiting for the young guys to discover that you can drift on dirt too. That might bring everything back around to dirt late models again.

[Phil Jacques]

"OS. You are part of the problem. "--Phil
I can deal with that being your opinion.

"Its not 1975 so get the hell off it."--Philmore
Er, it is 1975 here in my wallet. It was last night at Showtime, and that is where the money came out of my wallet and was passed on to a track, which remarkably puts on a 1975-style show. And whatever happened to you "aren't telling others what to do?"

Not only that, your perception is not accurate. Here is the 3,000 lb elephant stuck in the middle of your argument: How does one integrate non-racing with the racing, since neither camp is particularly interested? Not just me, Phil, both camps. Actually if they wanted to run a judged drifting "feature" it would be fine with me any weekend.

Or, how does one make drifting offset running a circle track? I suggested running an exclusive drifting event from time to time to offset the circle track racing costs.

Any more real world suggestions, or just soap-boxing?

"Stop making me the bad guy for pointing out the truth old man. Take a look in the mirror for a change."--Really, Phil?
Am not accepting any of that, for it is pure fiction and not associated with me or my intent.

Do you even know what you are talking about cause I sure as hell don't...

Showtime as I have said a few times, is one of the tracks that is doing a good job which absolutely proves my fucking point. I can't seem to get it through your thick skull so I will use the track you asskiss the most as the example...

They have an entertaining product. They have good fields of cars, (from the videos I have seen) good on track product with good action. A good entertainment atmosphere that ATTRACTS FANS! When drivers see fans more drivers come because in the end we want to put on a show for a crowd, not an empty bleacher...

DO YOU GET IT YET?

You keep crying poverty for the state of FL yet VSP has good counts and crowds and Showtime draws decent counts and crowds... The economy doesn't differ at those two tracks from the rest, so stop bringing money into the damn argument

I am not telling anyone what to do. Never have, never will. I tell everyone what I see and observe. Pretty simple I think. You see it differently because that's what you want to believe. But the fact is, I am pointing out cold hard facts. Not make believe unicorns and leprechauns... This is REAL TRUTH and you just keep ignoring it. The oldschool mentality that doesn't adapt to the times, has sunken many tracks over the years and I promise if it keeps up, in 20 years FL will have 0 tracks.

[Phil Jacques]

There haven't been that many cars in the parking lot at OSW in the last 10 years ( maybe even put together ), so drifting obviously draws a much larger crowd than stock cars in the greater Bithlo area. You also might have noticed that while nascar races are now shown on tv networks no one gets, the X-Games are shown on regular broadcast channels, even the events that seem kinda simple minded.
The next wave is here, it's the young guys and their turbo charged tire smokin sideways racing. Yes, i said racing. It doesn't look like what we've watched through the years, but it's racing. I'm just waiting for the young guys to discover that you can drift on dirt too. That might bring everything back around to dirt late models again.

Don't waste your time man, this old fart forgot to take his brain function pills. This should be the biggest eye opener to everyone in FL but he still holds firm to 1975. If you SETTLE, you will fall behind. And Florida has fallen behind... WAY behind...

[Phil Jacques]

[Benny The Mule]

They filled the place up with drifters and fans. now blend them and oval once a month and see if a new interest can be created.