How many Limited, Pro, and Supers are JUST sitting as garage trophies?

[Bobby Diehl]

So far.....

So far I found Tower Recaps Med-Hard tires that would sell for around $100.00 and last 3 to 5 50 lappers. Now that cuts the tire bill and the shocks package under $125.00 each (there are many used sets for sale on Racing Junk CHEAP). Crates can run on 93 octane pump gas (not much you can do if you have a high compression engine). If you have another way to save the cost to the race please post or call me 813-817-RACE (7223).
Again thanks to all that have called me back.

[OldSchool+]

seems like there will be lots of grooved Hoosier 750s around. Although I do not know the cost, they are reportedly have good longevity.

[scottgarrity07]

seems like there will be lots of grooved Hoosier 750s around. Although I do not know the cost, they are reportedly have good longevity.

Late Model guys would probably mutiny if you tried to put them on 8" rubber. Also not too sure about recaps either. I've heard they work good on dirt but the only experience I've had with them wasn't good. It was on low HP heavy cars and they tended to blister badly.

Now if Hoosier made the R750 in a 10" tire, that would work. Plenty of grip AND longevity.

[OldSchool+]

8" tire = more fun with less motor (as you know).

Am going to a Modified Show this weekend, not a late model show.

And Bobby's class is featuring cars that are currently on jackstands, not much grip there...

[OldSchool+]

No offense to the big boys, I love to watch them run.

But if a low dollar, high car count gumbo omelet is going to be made, there will surely be a rotten egg somewhere!

(yeah, liberal use of poetic license and all that...)

[scottgarrity07]

8" tire = more fun with less motor (as you know).

Am going to a Modified Show this weekend, not a late model show.

And Bobby's class is featuring cars that are currently on jackstands, not much grip there...

Oh, I agree. But for some reason people flip out around here when you propose putting high division cars on an 8" grooved tire that lasts. Up in Michigan most Late Models (Outlaw and Template) run on hard 8" rubber. Although they make it work I just feel it would be a tough sell in the Sunshine State...

[OldSchool+]

No worries, Bobby is selling it!

It certainly is not an issue for the fans. 20 cars trying to find grip at Citrus or Auburndale would be the bomb.

And the owners? All the struggling guys--which I would suggest is the largest group, along with the limited guys, along with the sportsman guys, would be happy (well, one guy with a red car, anyway).

And the high dollar guys can either run special high dollar shows--only, or convert a backup car, or convert their high dollar car. That much investment, jackstands don't look so hot...

So it is the track owners/promoters that need to be convinced. And bigger fields, bigger gates front and back, what's not to like?

BTW, the bucks-up late models cannot run with the modifieds this weekend at St Pete, unless, of course, they meet the rules.

[scottgarrity07]

That's the beauty of this deal (Diehl?). Since we are trying to lure racers that are parked, you need to give them EXACTLY what they need or they're not getting the car off jackstands. Kind of an enviable position...

[Bobby Diehl]

Wow!!! Blown away again......

Man it sure feels good when such positive reaction makes forward motion (I hope any way). Back when this tread was started one of the very first calls I made was to Tommy King (if you know Tommy he will tell you were exactly were the bear goes in the woods). He had many of the first concerns about the state of racing (Late Models). Again there are 3 or 4 cars in his neck of the woods that are parked. Today I talked to Dave Weaver who always raced at CCMP with his Limited (his brother Steve has a Super). After chatting for awhile he said once he get his motor back together and Steve would be interested. Man I am stoked. Can you imagine a field of 30 to 40 Lates pounds the ground. Heck the track owner would need to hire help in the concessions stands. KEEP THOSE CARDS AND LETTERS COMING. I FEEL A MOVEMENT COMING. Positive make positives happen!!!!!

[Bobby Diehl]

The CCMP basic Late Model rule package.

Gary found the 2007 Rules for the CCMP Late Models and sent them to me:

Category 1. Limited LM: Stock clip car (after market Howe type replacement chip ok'ed). Big spring Stock type steering box (no coil overs).
604 GM Crate
Weight 2600 lbs /58% LS (Left Side).

Category 2. LLM: Stock Clip Car. Big Spring Stock Type Steering. (no coil overs) Iron Head Small port. 4BBL Carb
Weight 2750 lbs 58% LS

Category 3. ASA Style (Super Late) 604 GM Crate
Weight 2650 lbs 58% LS

Category 4. Good Year Challenge Car Stock Clip Big Spring Stock type Steering (no coil overs)
Progressive or Jam Spec Motors
Weight 2800 lbs 58% LS

Category 5. SLM Progressive or Jam Spec Motor
Weight 2800 lbs 56% LS

Category 6. SLM 366c1 Iron Head 750 carb
weight 2850 lbs 58% LS

Remember these were back in the day. Yes I know the GYC cars haven't been around for years (I am sure there are still hidden deep in the garage under a cover). But with a shock package, and HARD tires the field would have a good starting point. If you have any ideas or things that need to be address please chime in....

[OldSchool+]

Bobby,

Here is my suggestion. One set of rules. Pick the lowest common denominator (ie slowest), and write the rules around that car. Probably an iron head, stock clip car.

Everybody runs the same engine spec, and the same weight spec.

Otherwise you are chasing an elusive target called "parity". You remember the old Cup days of valence and spoiler adjustment, and ALL parties never stopped whining and feeling disadvantaged.

If a guy thinks another guy has more motor (or less weight, or more aero, or...) and believes he cannot win due to inherent disadvantages, he will mothball it again.

Plus, one set of rules is easier to tech than 3 or so.

[Bobby Diehl]

Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.............. ..

Bobby,

Here is my suggestion. One set of rules. Pick the lowest common denominator (ie slowest), and write the rules around that car. Probably an iron head, stock clip car.

Everybody runs the same engine spec, and the same weight spec.

Otherwise you are chasing an elusive target called "parity". You remember the old Cup days of valence and spoiler adjustment, and ALL parties never stopped whining and feeling disadvantaged.

If a guy thinks another guy has more motor (or less weight, or more aero, or...) and believes he cannot win due to inherent disadvantages, he will mothball it again.

Plus, one set of rules is easier to tech than 3 or so.

The focus of the garage trophy's are the ones not thinking their car is on a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
I did call the Tire company and they said that they have 8 plus series or tracks using the tires. They have under 2% of tire problems. Which is about the same as the old Goodyear and American Race tires. I am working on a test session to show case the tires usability and durability. Spoke to Speedway Motors (one of FASTRUCK's sponsors) they are interest in getting involved. It a start. KEEP THOSE CARDS AND LETTERS COMING!!!!!! One day at a time......

[scottgarrity07]

Old School, those rules leveled the cars pretty good at just about everywhere they were used (except NSS). These rules are still on the wall in the tech shed at Desoto.

Bobby, I went to Towel City's website

http://www.towelcityracingtires.com/...ires.html#2622

the 11" slick (10"rim) looks like an awesome tire! How about allowing Sportsman cars with ABC bodies, 602 crate motors at 59% lswt and 2600 lbs???? I've got a set of 10" rims, lol.

[Bobby Diehl]

Scotty When I started the concept......

Old School, those rules leveled the cars pretty good at just about everywhere they were used (except NSS). These rules are still on the wall in the tech shed at Desoto.

Bobby, I went to www.towelcityracingtires.com and the 11" slick (10"rim) looks like an awesome tire! How about allowing Sportsman cars with ABC bodies, 602 crate motors at 59% lswt and 2600 lbs???? I've got a set of 10" rims, lol.

Scotty your are right!!! Why not look at ever division. The Trucks are a mess. I get calls all time about the level of playing field. Heck you could make each competitor declare their racer. That's what we did with the CCMP Late Models. If you had a Super and had a GM Crate you would be teched for that rule package (you needed to declare in pre-tech). The Trucks also have 5 or 6 types of motor packages. It really is easy. You just need to be clear when explained their options.

I started with the Lates your right about looking at the Sportsman as well. The cars counts are low in every division except Street Stock and Mini Stocks. Obama didn't crush the other racers (in the Clunker buy back) they are parked because the Owners feel it not a level playing field. Sometimes after you owned a Track, and or a Pro Series you reflect the knowledge your gained by doing it by brail (meaning doing and learning by your mistakes). We well see how the Lates go. And then maybe to at the rest of those division that have Garage Trophy's!!!! Just trying to "SAVE the TRACKS" because Steve Wonder could see the "Writing on the Wall""!!!!!!!

[OldSchool+]

"The focus of the garage trophy's are the ones not thinking their car is on a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD."--BD

My point exactly.

Scott--Got that essentially multiple classes equalized with weight and etc. "works", but believe (perhaps wrongly) in my suggestion.