Sportsman Tires

[Don Nerone]

After 5 pages for horse crap about the 800 tire is over.
now the real testers and builder of tires is ready to test the right tire for all over the us.
Hoosher has been working on this for a few years. The 800 is a bandade to the problem in a few aeries but as they said just hold on we got the right stuff.
I heard threw a birdie they had some at the snowball and will be testing at all the tracks in florida in the next few months.
The test info will not be withheld like the last internet test lol.
Im sure someone will think that the tire people are trying to trick them.
Just to funny




don62

[Patrick Thomas 25]

The funny thing is Don, the same 2 cars that tested the 800's were asked to test this mystery tire, because the results from the first test were so thorough. The tire that I am being told they are going to test is a ribbed 750, which according to Hoosiers web site is not a new tire at all.

If you need help understanding this Ill explain, we tested 700's which wore just like the 650's we currently run on the rights. We tested the 800's which were hard and made the car have less grip, and slowed the lap times down quite a bit.

Now they want to test the tire in the middle.

Tell me Don before I put more time on my car, are they going to be the answer to all of Florida's tire wear issues, or are we just testing stuff for fun. Please enlighten me!!!!

After doing the tire testing that I did, and racing on the 650/450, then I went to Pensacola for the derby and ran on the F53s, I say just put us on the F53s. They looked great after 50 hard laps on a really abrasive race track and they never slowed down. I'll even give you some credit Don, that is the tire you chose for the sportsman series after the Goodyear tire debacle.

Patrick Thomas 25

[ocalasp76]

Sounds like the 800 is like the Comanche we used about 12-14 years ago... Very little grip in the turns, but one set lasted about 1/2 a season.. Cheaper too. Remember costing about $85 a tire back then..
-JIM-

[Don Nerone]

Sounds like the 800 is like the Comanche we used about 12-14 years ago... Very little grip in the turns, but one set lasted about 1/2 a season.. Cheaper too. Remember costing about $85 a tire back then..
-JIM-

Yep and gas was $1.00 and a pit pas was $15.00.
A street tire gone up 50% and race tires went up less for sure.
It cost me $65 for a 16" truck tire 15 years ago and they are $135 now.
In 1981 a Hoosher tire was $79 at Golden Gate.
a ford brand new when they started building them was $450.
Thing do go up

don62

[Don Nerone]

The funny thing is Don, the same 2 cars that tested the 800's were asked to test this mystery tire, because the results from the first test were so thorough. The tire that I am being told they are going to test is a ribbed 750, which according to Hoosiers web site is not a new tire at all.

If you need help understanding this Ill explain, we tested 700's which wore just like the 650's we currently run on the rights. We tested the 800's which were hard and made the car have less grip, and slowed the lap times down quite a bit.

Now they want to test the tire in the middle.

Tell me Don before I put more time on my car, are they going to be the answer to all of Florida's tire wear issues, or are we just testing stuff for fun. Please enlighten me!!!!

After doing the tire testing that I did, and racing on the 650/450, then I went to Pensacola for the derby and ran on the F53s, I say just put us on the F53s. They looked great after 50 hard laps on a really abrasive race track and they never slowed down. I'll even give you some credit Don, that is the tire you chose for the sportsman series after the Goodyear tire debacle.

Patrick Thomas 25

The f53 left the seen when the track read the board and all the drivers on here wanted a treaded tire.(rember)
To keep every one happy they changed and now here we go agin.
Patrick yes I do think you wasted ur time testing. t
The internet test will never be a official test. I do think the thought was good but think about it.
Did you think the #1 short track tire co in the world was going to take ur word for a test that they were not at..NO !!
There are 1500 tracks in the us and Hoosher supplies most of them.
so a few of you in florida take them on. look at some of the things on here that have been said about them. You should be glad that they even care enough to even come and spend there time and money.
I do know that Jeff cares about his coustmers and the few will not spoil his want to help the rest.
I don't have a dog in the fight I just want the rest of the racers to see the other side.

don62

[Patrick Thomas 25]

This is where your memory is getting a little bit muddled Don. When we left Goodyear and went to Hoosier mid season 2008, the sportsman series was on a 8" threaded Goodyear, then with the Hoosier we went to the f53 slick.

At the same time, the then Fascar Sportsman cars were on 10" goodyears, when the Hoosier tire switch happened mid season 2008, they kept the Fascar sportsman cars on the Hoosier 10" tire.

It wasn't until 2009 that the Fascar sportsman class switched to the threaded Hoosier, the tire we went to was the 650, the modifieds also changed to the threaded Hoosier, and after lots of complaining by them about a lack of grip the 450 was adopted as the left side for all classes that run on the Hoosier threaded tire.

Hopefully this tutorial will jog your memory of what has changed.

Patrick Thomas 25

[Frasson118]

Don would make a GREAT politician. .... re-write history for his own benefit, facts be damned.
And if you don't buy into his made up narrative, YOU'RE the idiot.
FACTS have never gotten in the way of a story that sounds good.

[Old Sunshine Fan]

Oh Shitz.....here we go again....The Don n' Jerry Show.....get the pop corn ready.....OSF

[Lurkin]

If you don't like the narrative of the other conversation, move over here and start your own I guess.

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If this isn't you Nerone, you sure come across like it on this board, to me anyway.

[driver50x]

Call me crazy, but let me throw this idea out there. I ran a V8 Warrior on dirt this summer. We have to run DOT radials, no racing tires allowed. I bought a new set of Cooper Cobra's at the begining of the year. I ran the same 4 tires ALL season and they still look almost like new! The durometer reading did not change at all on them over the year. The car was faster at the end of the year than it was at the begining, due to dialing in the chassis.

[Racer1]

It's different, on asphalt you have to cut them down to get tire tread flex out and the tire Temps get hot and if it's not a good tire it will chunk and get glazed. They make a good racing tire that's cheaper and last as just as long but tracks can't seem to realize this which is why this ad will be very long like the last one. Hopefully they can come up with something so that you can go to different tracks and run and use the same tire. It doesn't matter if it slows down the cars as long as you can run them for a good 4 weeks and not fall off a half second, I'm no tire expert so maybe it's harder than I think.

[ocalasp76]

This is where your memory is getting a little bit muddled Don. When we left Goodyear and went to Hoosier mid season 2008, the sportsman series was on a 8" threaded Goodyear, then with the Hoosier we went to the f53 slick.

At the same time, the then Fascar Sportsman cars were on 10" goodyears, when the Hoosier tire switch happened mid season 2008, they kept the Fascar sportsman cars on the Hoosier 10" tire.

It wasn't until 2009 that the Fascar sportsman class switched to the threaded Hoosier, the tire we went to was the 650, the modifieds also changed to the threaded Hoosier, and after lots of complaining by them about a lack of grip the 450 was adopted as the left side for all classes that run on the Hoosier threaded tire.

Hopefully this tutorial will jog your memory of what has changed.

Patrick Thomas 25

Somewhere in there between the Goodyear and the Hoosier came the American Racer tire at some tracks. Personally, I liked the AR.. In 2011 when I bought the OWM roller, it came with 2 sets of new AR tires and I had one set off my Sportsman..
-JIM-

[Racer1]

Your right, we raced on them at Auburndale and they were the one best racing tire that I've raced on, it didn't matter if you had new tires or not they didn't really fall off, we would get six races off a right side and was winning races. We had 12 to 15 street stocks every week and when they went to the Hoosier 650 the car count fell off to 5 or 6 and still no cars. Same thing with citrus but these tracks want do nothing to change it.

[ScottPrentice]

Call me crazy, but let me throw this idea out there. I ran a V8 Warrior on dirt this summer. We have to run DOT radials, no racing tires allowed. I bought a new set of Cooper Cobra's at the begining of the year. I ran the same 4 tires ALL season and they still look almost like new! The durometer reading did not change at all on them over the year. The car was faster at the end of the year than it was at the begining, due to dialing in the chassis.

and that right there is why the car counts at the dirt tracks are so much better than the pavement tracks- at least in the enduro/strictly/bomber/pure/thunder/warrior stock classes.
Guys are working on dialing in their chassis and driving, not buying tires every other week.
just my 2 cents- sorry for the hijack

[scottgarrity07]

@Racer1 and Scott Prentice- You guys make excellent points. And precisely give the reasons why I started the "other" thread. The undeniable fact that the 650/450 combo on support classes has hurt car counts because they wear out so quickly coupled with the reality that by buying four tires for your car (not working on your chassis) will make it handle better has just plain damaged local racing on many levels. It should be about learning chassis knowledge, not opening up your wallet, that makes support class racers cars handle better. Learning that you can't afford to compete doesn't help keep people in racing. Leaving a set of tires on your car for 4 races + (because they don't fall off) helps you learn what chassis changes you make do to the car to make you more competitive. And yes, the by-product is a tighter more competitive field from top to bottom (once again, a better show for the fans). That's exactly what the Hoosier 800 is capable of.

And to Don, I have no beef with the Hoosier parent company based in Indiana. They are a great company and provide many different tires for all types of racing. They are not the problem here. It is Jeff from the Hoosier Tire South distributor based in NC that I have an issue with. You seem to want to confuse people that the two different companies are one. They are not. Once again, as Patrick pointed out, you have a revisionist history. You conveniently leave out the facts that on this tire deal he has repeatedly made commitments that he has not followed through on. The only reason NSS, Patrick, Shannon Kelly and myself conducted the 800/700 tire test is because Jeff would not come down here to do it (after he stated he would). That coupled with the fact he got caught in multiple lies about the 800 and whether or not it had been tested in FL has drawn my ire. This is all detailed in the "other" thread. Now it appears he is claiming that the 750 is some "new" tire that Hoosier has been developing seems to be more bs from the same bull as the 750 has been around for a long time. If Jeff is such a great guy and cares so much about his customers and wants to help them, then why does he repeatedly LIE to them???