Good Job NSS For Parking Chokett #29

[bubba]

Actually, they aren't two extremely different things at all. Intentionally running into another car, no matter what your reason, or how hard, or at what point on the track, doesn't make the slightest difference if track officials can DQ you for it. A driver receiving a slight bump from the car behind might easily save it and go on. Or a less talented driver might get the same bump and lose it into the wall. Same bump at the same place.
I see it as NSS overreacting and Jeff getting shot for shaking Augie's hand too hard.

Your point that two different drivers receiving the exact same hit could end up with drastically different results is valid. However it has nothing to do with what occurred yesterday. Augie leaned on Jeff (doorhandle to doorhandle), Jeff drove through Augie (nose to tail with an added element of coming up the track while doing it) - not even close to the same chances of wreck the victim in those two scenarios. Could Jeff have wrecked from what Augie did - sure, but it wasnt likely. Was Augie going to wreck after what Jeff did? Absolutely.

All that said, I dont like what NSS did. Some other penalty would have met the standard that seems to have been set since i have been watching short track racing.

[JC26]

And there it is, the " You fans can't possibly know what really went on " defense. And this brings us right back to my original post where i said that the DQ was excessive. A 1 lap penalty ( which almost always happens in these cases ) or up to a five lap penalty would be reasonable for what went on. And we'll just assume that the folks who described Augie leaning on Jeff were just those mis-informed fans again.
I'd agree that cars get together on the track all the time. And i'd also say that there isn't a driver out there who hasn't intentionally tried to spin someone out, or run them up to the wall in the corners.
But my point is, the penalty was far too harsh and while your defense of Augie and his precision driving is admirable, Jeff's fans could just as easily say he was tired of Augie trying to wreck him. It's a judgement call, and in this case whoever made the call over reacted. Or was a friend of Augie.
By the way, there's no debate that it was intentional, Jeff admitted to that in an interview. I just think the penalty was way over the top.

Shoulda, woulda, and coulda are all easy when we're sitting in the bleachers. That was my point. I'm not an Augie fan, but the guy was fast and always puts on a show. For him to drive the 10 hours to get there and then be wrecked that early over something stupid and go home with a destroyed car, it's only fair that Choqutte went with him. My whole standpoint is that Augies crime didn't fit the punishment. But, I do believe Choquettes punishment fit the crime.

[OldSchool+]

>One can see the action far better from the stands than the pits, usually.

>I cannot count the number of times a driver has watched a replay and then seen an incident in a different light. Most recently that I can remember--Kyle Larson after the dirt truck race at Tony's track.

>Not always, but over the course of my lifetime, when the officials make a call I generally disagree with it.

>Typically, the way folks "see" an incident has to do with who they were affiliated with or rooting for before the incident.

>To discount someone's opinion solely because they are in the stands is...in my opinion...not valid.

[OldSchool+]

ps--JC & Bubba--Y'all agree on the crime, but not the punishment.

Each is entitled to their opinion (in my opinion {lol}).

[Lurkin]

He admitted to intentionally wrecking the guy, how could you not park him? Moving a guy, roughing him up and all happens but you wreck him for it getting yourself parked that early? Kind of rookie in my opinion. You put that rough housing in your pocket and then when the spot really counts it's an easy get, it might not even be there that day but in time it'll come and then you remember. He lost his cool and ruined his day, all of his crew/owners, and his fans, as well as Augie's...I don't blame the track.

[Lightening Mcqueen]

Here's something that I don't get. I looked at the race results today and Choquette was scored with a 25th place finish. Wouldn't dq mean a last place finish?

[turnleft]

bad calls

One big story that is being overlooked from the race, is sending the Nassee team to the rear for having a pit member by there car after quilifying. I also believe 6 or 7 other teams had this problem. My first big concern is how was Ricky Brookes determining who were crew member and who were not?? Access to the cars on pit road was open for any person in the pits to walk up to any of the cars?? In my eyes this was a poor judgment call on the officials. This is not Nascar!!! 7th place ---38th place paid 650 dollars, this is not a grat payout. The Nassee team must have spent at least 5 grand to go to this race, and this penelty was wrong. Ricky Brooks is a good tech man, but making a statment in the drivers meeting about crews not going near the cars, after they quilify, and how it was inforced, was piss poor in my judjment. Vince P.

[Old Sunshine Fan]

One big story that is being overlooked from the race, is sending the Nassee team to the rear for having a pit member by there car after quilifying. I also believe 6 or 7 other teams had this problem. My first big concern is how was Ricky Brookes determining who were crew member and who were not?? Access to the cars on pit road was open for any person in the pits to walk up to any of the cars?? In my eyes this was a poor judgment call on the officials. This is not Nascar!!! 7th place ---38th place paid 650 dollars, this is not a grat payout. The Nassee team must have spent at least 5 grand to go to this race, and this penelty was wrong. Ricky Brooks is a good tech man, but making a statment in the drivers meeting about crews not going near the cars, after they quilify, and how it was inforced, was piss poor in my judjment. Vince P.

Could'nt agree more....I watch Travis Cope get out of his car after he qualified...he was by himself...walked over to the wall to talk with his dad (Mike) .....No crew went to the car...I tried to talk with an Official, but the guy that was giving that picture away kept saying "They have it on tape"...
I for one would love to see "That Tape" ...I'll admit my wrong "If" Ricky will admit his wrong with the tape results....I know that no crew went to the car....Cope got screwed before the race even started...But he showed em' from the rear of the field....hope he gets a public appology...OSF

[jbonez21]

One big story that is being overlooked from the race, is sending the Nassee team to the rear for having a pit member by there car after quilifying. I also believe 6 or 7 other teams had this problem. My first big concern is how was Ricky Brookes determining who were crew member and who were not?? Access to the cars on pit road was open for any person in the pits to walk up to any of the cars?? In my eyes this was a poor judgment call on the officials. This is not Nascar!!! 7th place ---38th place paid 650 dollars, this is not a grat payout. The Nassee team must have spent at least 5 grand to go to this race, and this penelty was wrong. Ricky Brooks is a good tech man, but making a statment in the drivers meeting about crews not going near the cars, after they quilify, and how it was inforced, was piss poor in my judjment. Vince P.

What did they spend 5 grand on?

[Matt Albee]

A friend of mine that was there said he heard NSS was filming pit road just to enforce the no touch rule. That's a pretty long pit road. I wonder if they were filming wide angle to watch all of the cars, or just each car as it came onto pit road.
I guess i'm just curious about the rule itself. Are NASCAR crews not allowed to touch cars after qualifying? If the driver steps out of the car on pit road after qualifying at NSS and the car needs to be moved forward in line for some reason, does the driver have to push it himself? And if a team member messed with something on pit road, isn't that what tech after the race is for?
I'll bet every single team affected has requested the tape.
But the ruling sure didn't affect Travis Cope very much.

[turnleft]

5 grand jbonze21?????

What did he spend 5 grand on, are you joking?? They prob spent 6 or 7 grand, I was on the low side with five grand.

4 set of tires (might of bought 5) is $2,640 two for the race and two set for practice
40-50 gallons of fuel for race and practice = 400 bucks
Pit passes for the team 3 days 1000.00 bucks
we are at 4040.00, and I did not include fuel for hauler, any crew guys that were paid, and any general wear and tear on the car.

They prob spent 6-7 grand to go to this race......And then get sent to the back of the field, for what, in my opinin is a chicken sh_t call.

This is why I need to stay in the stands, because when I see stuff like this going on it drives me crazy.

Very poor judgment call by Brooks and NSS.... Vine P.

[jbonez21]

What did he spend 5 grand on, are you joking?? They prob spent 6 or 7 grand, I was on the low side with five grand.

4 set of tires (might of bought 5) is $2,640 two for the race and two set for practice
40-50 gallons of fuel for race and practice = 400 bucks
Pit passes for the team 3 days 1000.00 bucks
we are at 4040.00, and I did not include fuel for hauler, any crew guys that were paid, and any general wear and tear on the car.

They prob spent 6-7 grand to go to this race......And then get sent to the back of the field, for what, in my opinin is a chicken sh_t call.

This is why I need to stay in the stands, because when I see stuff like this going on it drives me crazy.

Very poor judgment call by Brooks and NSS.... Vine P.

Thanks for letting me know. I am just a fan and have never raced at this level so I was just curious since I am not familiar with the costs

[OldSchool+]

"I watch[d] Travis Cope get out of his car after he qualified...he was by himself...walked over to the wall to talk with his dad (Mike) .....No crew went to the car...[and then he was moved to the rear of the field]"--OSF

Agreed, chicken poo.

Mr. Garrity, you have indicated that NSS is "racer friendly", is there another side to this deal?

BTW, Scott, how did your race go? Looks like you had a long afternoon--or did you get out of the car to talk to Don...?

[scottgarrity07]

NSS is very "racer friendly". All of this stuff everyone is whining about, from rough riding to it being an "impound race" (meaning no one touching the cars) was spelled out very clearly in the driver's meeting by Ricky Brooks. Mario Gosselin (Labbe's crew chief) took the time to ask questions to clarify things, other's didn't and others were talking and not paying attention. Labbe didn't do anything to get penalized I noticed.

As far as my night, it was pretty much crap. We had an engine problem surface, tried to rectify it under yellow and went back out to just try and finish. Well, the problem didnt go away so while attempting to come back around to park it I got turned by one of NH Jim Daley's flavor-of-the-week drivers who apparently didn't know how to get around a slow car, with no one around us, a half a lap behind the field. The damage ain't too bad and we'll be back for the World Series in Feb.

[OldSchool+]

Scott, Thank you for your usual reasoned response.

Feel bad that you had an engine issue followed up by insult added to injury--to your bodywork. I know you love the place and have been looking forward to this race. New Smyrna will create engine problems where there were none, and a problem generally becomes catastrophic in short order.

So, I understand "impound race" and not touching the cars (not sure I agree with it at a short track, but rules is rules), but is it factual that Cope was penalized for speaking to someone over the wall--and the car was not touched?