Good Job NSS For Parking Chokett #29

[Don Nerone]

Just go buy the rules. Its not hard. A lot of people don't know what they are so some one read them then post them.
Then the rest of them can read them and weep..
I dint even know what they are anymore so someone that has them in print post them..

Don62

[Matt Albee]

If NSS or any other track is going to end a drivers night for intentional ( or attempted intentional ) wrecking of another driver, there's not going to be very many cars finishing each race. For instance, if the 112 was leaning on Jeff and did in fact run him up the racetrack as was posted above, should Augie have been parked for attempting to wreck another driver?

[OldSchool+]

Earnhardt 101

Yep, been happening for years.

Guy #1 hits guy #2. Guy #2 retalliates & gets penalized.

Guy #1 says it was just racing/an accident/he didn't mean to do it.

Btw, "track calls" are always the same deal. Whatever the powers-that-be think at that moment, regardless of what the no-rough-driving rule says.

I wasn't there, looks like I missed a good race.

[bubba]

The Derby and practice etc leading up to it will be interesting.

[JC26]

If NSS or any other track is going to end a drivers night for intentional ( or attempted intentional ) wrecking of another driver, there's not going to be very many cars finishing each race. For instance, if the 112 was leaning on Jeff and did in fact run him up the racetrack as was posted above, should Augie have been parked for attempting to wreck another driver?

Leaning on someone to prevent them from having a straight away lead on a restart, and driving down into the turn and punting them are two extremely different things.

That's like me punching you in the face because you shook my hand too hard.

[jbonez21]

Great call NSS!

I was disappointed in Choquette dumping Augie Grill. Augie may have rubbed him a bit, but that's racing. Choquette intentionally dumped Grill and destroyed his racecar. Get him off the track, case closed, come here to race clean or don't come back.

The stands are that full for all the big races @NSS so I'm sure the track won't be losing "ticket revenue" from lost Choquette fans. What's he going to do, dump anybody who passes him until noone is left and he wins by default??

[8modified]

In the drivers meeting it was clear the track would not put up with wrecking cars , just look at the clean racing for the finish. The track sent a message about parking cars and the drivers got the message!!!!!

Good call on the part of the track officials.

[OldSchool+]

memo

Open message to drivers.

I got it. I know where you are coming from. Everyone feels like they are either justified to begin with (he was mirror driving) or they are retalliating. And some are justified. Nonetheless...

What is "right" aside (since the "officials" decide that, and...) here is the deal:

Move them and you will probably be okay.

They spin out and it is a big question mark.

They crash and you will in all probability be in the back or on the trailer.

I realize that "moving them" and "taking them out" may be the identical move on your part, and maybe you only meant to move them, but it is the results that will carry the weight.

Now you got the memo.

[modmini55]

Ricky Brooks is the one that will not tolerate any of that non sense.

[bubba]

Who was the race director?

Not sure if that was Ricky, but from pit road - he wouldnt have been able to see squat. That call had to come from someone in the tower - and based on the reaction of the dude in the NASCAR shirt on top of the tower when he was approached by Gary Adrian and his son - I am guessing it was his decision. You dont get that pissy when someone else makes the call.

[Matt Albee]

Leaning on someone to prevent them from having a straight away lead on a restart, and driving down into the turn and punting them are two extremely different things.

That's like me punching you in the face because you shook my hand too hard.

Actually, they aren't two extremely different things at all. Intentionally running into another car, no matter what your reason, or how hard, or at what point on the track, doesn't make the slightest difference if track officials can DQ you for it. A driver receiving a slight bump from the car behind might easily save it and go on. Or a less talented driver might get the same bump and lose it into the wall. Same bump at the same place.
I see it as NSS overreacting and Jeff getting shot for shaking Augie's hand too hard.

[JC26]

Actually, they aren't two extremely different things at all. Intentionally running into another car, no matter what your reason, or how hard, or at what point on the track, doesn't make the slightest difference if track officials can DQ you for it. A driver receiving a slight bump from the car behind might easily save it and go on. Or a less talented driver might get the same bump and lose it into the wall. Same bump at the same place.
I see it as NSS overreacting and Jeff getting shot for shaking Augie's hand too hard.

You have your mind made up as a fan that what happened is wrong on the part of NSS. And that's fine. But from a racers point, I think your mindset is a little skewed.

80% of the cars there yesterday had tire marks on them because rubbing and leaning on someone is part of the sport. There's not one race car driver on this board who can say they've never rubbed someone to get them lose or put their car right up against theirs to keep them in a line or slid up into someone in a corner. If you want to watch follow the leader then go watch trains ride around. If you want to see hard nose racing, then expect fenders to touch, tires to rub and aggressiveness to be in full force. But driving through someone and intentionally wrecking them is not by any means racing. What Augie did was precise and there wasn't and malicious intent. Anyone at NSS yesterday that had eyes and was looking in turn one could tell there was malicious intent from the 29.

[Matt Albee]

You have your mind made up as a fan that what happened is wrong on the part of NSS. And that's fine. But from a racers point, I think your mindset is a little skewed.

80% of the cars there yesterday had tire marks on them because rubbing and leaning on someone is part of the sport. There's not one race car driver on this board who can say they've never rubbed someone to get them lose or put their car right up against theirs to keep them in a line or slid up into someone in a corner. If you want to watch follow the leader then go watch trains ride around. If you want to see hard nose racing, then expect fenders to touch, tires to rub and aggressiveness to be in full force. But driving through someone and intentionally wrecking them is not by any means racing. What Augie did was precise and there wasn't and malicious intent. Anyone at NSS yesterday that had eyes and was looking in turn one could tell there was malicious intent from the 29.

And there it is, the " You fans can't possibly know what really went on " defense. And this brings us right back to my original post where i said that the DQ was excessive. A 1 lap penalty ( which almost always happens in these cases ) or up to a five lap penalty would be reasonable for what went on. And we'll just assume that the folks who described Augie leaning on Jeff were just those mis-informed fans again.
I'd agree that cars get together on the track all the time. And i'd also say that there isn't a driver out there who hasn't intentionally tried to spin someone out, or run them up to the wall in the corners.
But my point is, the penalty was far too harsh and while your defense of Augie and his precision driving is admirable, Jeff's fans could just as easily say he was tired of Augie trying to wreck him. It's a judgement call, and in this case whoever made the call over reacted. Or was a friend of Augie.
By the way, there's no debate that it was intentional, Jeff admitted to that in an interview. I just think the penalty was way over the top.

[Mark Keeler]

For anyone that is questioning whether the intent was to 'bump' Grill to send a message or something more malicious... It was made quite clear... Here is the quote from Choquette to Speed51 immediately following the incident...

(as reported on Trackside Now)

"I had a lot of respect for Augie and I thought he had a lot of respect for me but he used my whole left side up," said Choquette. "I went down into turn one and I turned him. That's the honest to God truth. I won't say I didn't. You race me like that and that's what you're going to get. You'll be standing over there with a wrecked race car."
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[OldSchool+]

"...You race me like that and that's what you're going to get. You'll be standing over there with a wrecked race car."--Jeff Choquette

As a fan, I like guys with that mindset. They make it interesting to watch, and if I agree with them, vicariously enjoy the action.

That said, Balough (and, as I have said, I like{d} to watch Gary run) seemed to wind up in the wall a lot himself.

Fair enough.

On the other hand, I notice that owners of cars that tend to have the same driver also tend not to go through a lot of front clips.

That is why the Anderson's have it going on. It is their car, and they know the consequences, wallet wise. I wouldn't recommend "leaning" on them too long either...