Circus County Speedway 8/23/14

[Dora Thorne]

Bad customer

One of the basic rules in running a business, is to "identify and fire bad customers"

Not all customers are good to have. If you spent the last 2 weeks trash talking me and my business, I would also have you load up your stuff and vamoose from my property.

I originally agreed that it appears you got singled out for the Tech issues. I don't blame you for being pissed about it.

But you never let it drop. You turned into a bad customer.

You deserved to be fired.

Funny, people can pass judgment that do not know all the details/facts or me.
This has gone on since September 2013 for everyone, The one you defend has been on public media running his "pie hole" to every response that was ever posted by a lot of different people.....

Why don't you go see for yourself on the CCS facebook page, go back and look at some of the stuff he has posted since last September to multiple posts from many different people. It's truly Unbelievable....

First rule as a business owner, do not entertain idle talk and gossip. Stay off the internet. Put people in place to do their job, do not micromanage every area. Big mistake.... He changes rules, tells someone one thing then someone else another and the people he put in charge of that area doesn't have a clue about either.

As a business owner, he has failed miserably.... If you want to call me a bad customer, that's fine, it was caused by the many bad decisions a terrible business owner has made way before this and how he has treated a lot of his (as you call) customers. Almost all are gone now...

We are racers, not customers, we put on the show, we are what fill the stands and make HIM $$$. To be clear, We are what make HIM money..

He should let the people he put in place to do their job he gave them.

All I did was call out liars and that, I WILL NEVER BE ASHAMED OF......

[Don Nerone]

Earlier this year. Not lately though.

As a pissed off customer, you have every right to say so. As a pissed off business owner, he has every right to say Get Off My Property. I'm not defending that Gary is right, but I am saying that Dora handled things wrong and SHOULD have been ordered to leave. Like it or not, it is HIS sandbox, and has every right to decide who does and who doesn't het to play in it.

Don Nerone and I have had problems for years, and if he ever winds up in charge of a track again, he'd be a fool to let me in.... and I TOTALLY understand why he wouldn't want me there. Dora needs to understand that with Gary.

Wow now that is so wrong..
There are 2 kinds of press just like there are 2 kinds of fans ..Good ones ..bad ones ..And no fans so if you can but a ticket ill let you in any time Jerry.
We never agree on anything and you posted my name this time .
I have never told any fan they could not come to any race. A few racers have been told they could not race for a time (week month year).
She can rant all she wants and it is up to the reader weather buy the story or not.
I do think se has over done it but it is what it is.
If it was me I would thank her for the free press.
God knows you gave me plenty of it.
Don't let me down now Jerry...lol

Don62

[Dora Thorne]

BTW. Gary said in the drivers meeting he loves the "press".
Ya'll can think of me what you want, I'm a big girl.
I know who I am, what I stand for and very comfortable with that.
Some may say I'm "over the top" right now but that is where I find myself after being overstimulated by absolute horse sh*t for quite some time.
I can't stand a liar...... Of all the character flaws someone can have, being a liar (especially a compulsive one) is the absolute worst... You can never believe a word that is said by a liar.
People that do know me, know exactly where I'm coming from..
I know what I say/write is the truth and I will never waiver from it.
At least when I have made a mistake, I am honorable enough to say it to the person it has affected.

It's always someone else's fault isn't it??
Poor Gary....... If I have heard this once, I have heard it a thousand times by many, he is his own worst enemy, especially when it comes to running a track.

[Frasson118]

When people are exchanging money, the person handing it over is the customer. The one receiving it is the business owner.

Another thing.... where did I "defend" Gary? I never did. I'm just pointing out that your 2 week rant about everything he does wrong, turned you into someone that is more cancerous than helpful. Nobody in their right mind would want to have all that venom and hatred inside their business. Its nothing personal, as I have no clue who you are, or what you're about.

But I have seen post after post of ripping him and his track down. His own actions will tear it apart... but in the meantime, he'd be crazy to put up with anyone that trashes his personality or business.

Not happy? I get that. Not going back? I wouldn't either if I was you.

But to act like he singled you out for NO REASON at all..... you caused ALL of this yourself, nobody else caused this for you.

[MiniRacer26]

When people are exchanging money, the person handing it over is the customer. The one receiving it is the business owner.

Another thing.... where did I "defend" Gary? I never did. I'm just pointing out that your 2 week rant about everything he does wrong, turned you into someone that is more cancerous than helpful. Nobody in their right mind would want to have all that venom and hatred inside their business. Its nothing personal, as I have no clue who you are, or what you're about.

But I have seen post after post of ripping him and his track down. His own actions will tear it apart... but in the meantime, he'd be crazy to put up with anyone that trashes his personality or business.

Not happy? I get that. Not going back? I wouldn't either if I was you.

But to act like he singled you out for NO REASON at all..... you caused ALL of this yourself, nobody else caused this for you.

You are wrong on this one Frasson. Gary doesn't like anyone that calls him out for his BS and his MO is what happened Saturday night. If you haven't been up there this season and spoke with the drivers, walked the pits and seen first hand what is going on you really should talk to some friends that have. Frasson, my family has two track championships at CCS and I have been going to the track since the age of 5...I turn 33 next month so I can give you a pretty good run down of what has happened. I have a room full of trophies and plaques from up there, and I really do wish the situation was different from what Dora is claiming. If it was, I would have a car and would be going every chance the gates opened. The fact is Gary has been caught in multiple lies, has changed the rules multiple times, ripped off local businesses by either not paying them or writing rubber checks and has ran off more cars than he currently has. Everything he said he would do he has done the exact opposite...kinda like Obama but without the teleprompter. Generations of racers will not go back until he is gone. I think what Dora is trying to do is get the word out on how big of a shyster he is and to expose his shady dealings. Many of us are just waiting for him to fold up so we can go back racing, myself included. Gary has created the "Dora" problem and 20 others just like her, myself included. It's all self inflicted is what I am getting at. Had he came into town with a different attitude and conducted his affairs HONESTLY, he wouldn't have these types of rants for the entire racing community to see. Gary has the right to ban her from the property, and Dora has the right to share her FACTUAL experiences on how bad CCS actually is.

[Dora Thorne]

When people are exchanging money, the person handing it over is the customer. The one receiving it is the business owner.

Another thing.... where did I "defend" Gary? I never did. I'm just pointing out that your 2 week rant about everything he does wrong, turned you into someone that is more cancerous than helpful. Nobody in their right mind would want to have all that venom and hatred inside their business. Its nothing personal, as I have no clue who you are, or what you're about.

But I have seen post after post of ripping him and his track down. His own actions will tear it apart... but in the meantime, he'd be crazy to put up with anyone that trashes his personality or business.

Not happy? I get that. Not going back? I wouldn't either if I was you.

But to act like he singled you out for NO REASON at all..... you caused ALL of this yourself, nobody else caused this for you.

well then, If we hand him $$ to come in and he hands us $$ after the show what is that called? a circle jerk?
1. We hand him $$ to come in = patron
2. Fans hand him $$ for come see the show (we put on) = They pay the bills
3. When he hands us $$ after we race = we are the show that the fans come to see.

As I said before, This hasn't come about in the last two weeks, this has been going on since 9/13. Your just seeing the Carbunckle coming to a head.

[scottgarrity07]

Frasson118: Don Nerone and I have had problems for years, and if he ever winds up in charge of a track again, he'd be a fool to let me in.... and I TOTALLY understand why he wouldn't want me therere.

Don Nerone: Wow now that is so wrong..
There are 2 kinds of press just like there are 2 kinds of fans ..Good ones ..bad ones ..And no fans so if you can but a ticket ill let you in any time Jerry.
We never agree on anything and you posted my name this time .
I have never told any fan they could not come to any race.
Don't let me down now Jerry...lol

Holy crap! Jerry and Don understanding each other? I think I need a drink...

[ss29]

I haven't had a problem going to citrus but if I did I wouldn't go there looking for something more to complain about.(not in a rude way) but you need to find a new place or deal with what happen, tech is part of racing it don't matter how many cars are there.i went through this already...its no secret I hate Bronson but I don't go back there to find more to complain about I just moved on lol

[Matt Albee]

I don't know any of these people, but my main question is, why did Dora not just pull the heads off when tech was requesting it? (From the previous week).

Vince

I couldn't help but notice that this part of the argument gets skipped over. If the rules say you're subject to a tear down ( they do ), but you refuse the tear down ( you did ) , then i don't see you have much of a case for anything that happened afterward.
So we have a seemingly unending soap opera of an unpopular track owner vs. a world class drama queen.

[JC26]

From what I've read, it was the pure principal of it. You've got 4 cars in the field and chose to have them pull the heads. I can understand a big race or 15-20 car field having something like that teched. But that's assinine to pull the heads in tech for a the 3 car field that was left after the leader blew up.

[Matt Albee]

From what I've read, it was the pure principal of it. You've got 4 cars in the field and chose to have them pull the heads. I can understand a big race or 15-20 car field having something like that teched. But that's assinine to pull the heads in tech for a the 3 car field that was left after the leader blew up.

I'm sure you're right about that, principal does seem to be the motivation here. And having the competitor tear down under the circumstances described sure sounds like a vindictive track owner/tech man. But i'm not sure where the cutoff should be to follow the rule book. Would a tear down be okay in a 6 car race? Or would it take 9 cars for the rule book to be observed?
In truth, if it were a 1 car race, that 1 car would still be required to be legal and would be subject to inspection to be sure it is.

[turnleft]

Heads

I have to agree with Matt, I would have pulled my heads just to prove I was legal. Not knowing any of the people involved, it seems the track thought she was cheating, and called her out on it. Should of pulled the heads and proved the track wrong! (Or not). Vince

[scottgarrity07]

I think as a rule of thumb tech should be increasingly intrusive in response to how bad someone dominates and/or how many times someone has won. And it should always be the same tech for all the cars in the shed/bullpen/petting zoo. Now when you call out people as liars (true or assumed) and then seem to be retaliated against, well that's another story. I mean you either like the ethics/way you're treated at a track or you don't. I try and express my concerns face to face or man to man (or woman). When that doesn't work out, I just move on. The beauty of FL is that the next racetrack is less than an hour up the road from the one you're at. I'm happy to pass the one's I don't want to race at to go to the ones I do. But that's just me...

[Mike Bresnahan]

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight but I'll say this... I just turned 37 years old and I've been involved in racing (mostly at Citrus) all my life. I have never heard of pulling heads off the winning car in a 4 car race. If the track really suspects someone of having a big engine there are other ways to check it. I understand rules are rules but jeez, really? It would probably cost more to put the engine back together than winning the race paid. Given Gary and Dora's "history" of disagreements it's easy to see what happened here.

I get asked (and told) all the time "why don't you just suck it up and go race there". Simple, I'm not putting myself in that type of situation.

If a restaurant continues to serve bad food and has crappy service the last thing I'm going to do is keep going back there. At the same time I'm going to advise anyone I call a friend not to eat there as well. If I have a great time some where, I certainly share that too and encourage all my friends to go do the same. A race track is no different than any other business we spend our money at. We don't owe it to them to keep quiet when we feel we've been mistreated or taken advantage of.

Social media can very well be the demise of a race track or any business for that matter. However it can also be a great tool for that business when customers feel they are treated fairly and come away with a positive experience.

Ok, rant over. Carry on and have a great day.

[Mike Bresnahan]

And I'll add this, calling Dora a "drama queen" is horseshit. I don't know her that well at all but even through all the crap that's been going on there she has continued to drag her car there week after week. Even bringing an old Fig 8 car just so the track can appear to have some sort of car count. I've seen her posts encouraging other Street Stock racers to come out so the class doesn't die off. Gary being Gary ran off one of his biggest assets.