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  • #31
    Sometimes something that looks safe to you is not. When I ran the Whelen Modified race at Daytona they made us watch a video on the updates to the seats this year and the seat belts for 2015...the video was actually pretty amazing in the fact that NASCAR does an incredible amount of testing, and I mean incredible, to make sure the drivers are safe. I know this is different as they are going 200mph, but it really is not different at all. You can die in a car going 45. I used to run speed boats that went 120-180 mph, well one time we were at a poker run and four people died when the boat flipped over turning back to the dock...they were going 60 at the time. I know its apples and oranges but in your head you think well if it flips going that slow I'll just jump out, or if I hit the wall going 50 mph I'll just hold my neck up or this flimsy aluminum pad on the right side of my head will keep my neck still, or my head will never reach that bar...when its just not true. The force on a body during impact is remarkable.

    I mentioned the Nascar thing because every time there is an injury they put in hours and hours to make sure it doesn't happen again (even something like a broken collar bone), I feel like the safety is up to par in late models but not in many of the lower classes. If you are not a driver, just a spectator and you watched a super stock go around the track, then a late model a month later, you would say they are both going really fast. Even though it is a super stock, they are still going very fast, 80mph and 100mph are the same when you hit a concrete wall. I would never get in a car without a full containment seat and a HANS, I did when I drove sportsman and looking back it was so stupid. I put those aluminum head rails on the seat and hit the wall at New Smyrna, the thing was bent straight out 90* from where it started.

    I wish every short track in the country was required to put up safer barriers like on the Nascar tracks, I know its completely unrealistic because of the cost, I just wish somehow it would happen. Maybe there should be a sanctioning body for the safety of short tracks and car requirements throughout the country. I just can't stand to see a young child get killed doing this.

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    • #32
      An absolute tragedy to be sure...but much of the discussion has focused on her age as a reason kids shouldn't race "big cars". The size of the car or age of the driver almost never have anything to do with cause of death. (Who was more experienced than Dale Sr.?)

      The VAST majority of the time it comes down to improperly installed or applied safety equipment. After all the dust (finally) settled on Dale's crash, it was improperly installed seat belt. Would some type of head and neck restraint saved him? No one knows for sure, but most likely. But the fact still remains, had his belts been installed properly he would likely still be with us today.

      It's too early to tell what caused this tragedy...but it wasn't that she was too young in a "big car". Regardless of the cause, my heat breaks for that family.

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      • #33
        Just found this video.....Keselowski tweeted it......very telling. There is also a video of Johnnny Benson I saw back soon after Dale died. It was an in car video of him in a late model.....It was amazing how far his helmet traveled.....almost completely off his head......this video shows a rally car wreck...the co pilot has a HANS the driver doesn't......


        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g40Ya...ature=youtu.be

        And Dale's seat belts were not installed improperly......that is the NASCAR cover up.......they completely buried Simpson as the scapegoat.......
        Last edited by fred23; 03-26-2014, 09:36 AM.

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        • #34
          No Ambulance

          If there is no emt or ambulance at a track NOBODY should take the track.. OSW in the 90 's always had a ambulance ,if something happened we had to wait for a backup.. What the heck is wrong with these tracks and there are many. We raced out o0f town and there was always AMBULANCE or we didn't take track. Bubba has a 11yr old racing 360 sprint cars what a joke. Maybe this will wake him up or SHUT him down. There are plenty o0f tracks around central florida to race at..Safety fIRST BUT ACCIDENTS HAPPEN mAYBE IF THE RIGHT EQuIPTMENT WAS THERE IT WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE....just saying

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          • #35
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            And Dale's seat belts were not installed improperly......that is the NASCAR cover up.......they completely buried Simpson as the scapegoat.......[/QUOTE]




            You got that right fred23! It was just a freak accident (and a cover-up). But someone/something had to be blamed. I guess Kenny Irwin and Adam Petty's seat belts were installed incorrectly too.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by sbracer58 View Post
              An absolute tragedy to be sure...but much of the discussion has focused on her age as a reason kids shouldn't race "big cars". The size of the car or age of the driver almost never have anything to do with cause of death. (Who was more experienced than Dale Sr.?)

              The VAST majority of the time it comes down to improperly installed or applied safety equipment. After all the dust (finally) settled on Dale's crash, it was improperly installed seat belt. Would some type of head and neck restraint saved him? No one knows for sure, but most likely. But the fact still remains, had his belts been installed properly he would likely still be with us today.

              It's too early to tell what caused this tragedy...but it wasn't that she was too young in a "big car". Regardless of the cause, my heat breaks for that family.
              Actually the size and age of a driver has a lot to do with the cause of death in these types of accidents. They are not small adults, they are different. The deaths of the 2 teens in the last few years here, probably would not have been fatal to an adult.
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              • #37
                EMT & Ambulance

                Originally posted by egspeedway View Post
                I am not offering this as fact but was told that some track insurance companies do not require an ambulance on hand if the track is within a certain proximity of a hospital.
                first off
                MY Prayers and Condolences Go Out To This Young Ladies Family

                Now ,
                I am retired from a local city and we had auctions every year to sell surplus equipment , ambulances included , that was not cost effective to keep and run 24/7 , but could be used for this purpose.
                EMT's need money just like the rest of us , (little side $$ is always nice)
                Driving is not Mandated it is a Privilage , when you buy your tags you have to have insurance , how many people pay health insurance , life insurance , homeowners insurance , it all cost's , but "YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON A LIFE "
                The local track I go to has Emergency equip & people there , I have seen them respond to race car incidences , the stands for a spectator getting hit in the head with a clump of dirt the size of a golf ball , an elderly with a heart issue , I think once there was even an inebriated soul that fell down and got hurt .
                When my son was bicycle racing ,there was EMT's at the tracks .
                if Bubba honors last weeks tickets as compared to EMT's / Equip where does he stand ??
                When we are not racing , i'm in the stands supporting my track .
                All this is my opinion ( like arm pits everyone has at least one )
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by fred23 View Post
                  Just found this video.....Keselowski tweeted it......very telling. There is also a video of Johnnny Benson I saw back soon after Dale died. It was an in car video of him in a late model.....It was amazing how far his helmet traveled.....almost completely off his head......this video shows a rally car wreck...the co pilot has a HANS the driver doesn't......


                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g40Ya...ature=youtu.be
                  This is a great video. Also note the seat. For some reason a few people have decided to tell people that a HANS will hurt you if you don't have a full containment seat. Clearly this video shows proof that is a lie, and its a really stupid lie that I'm tired of reading.

                  Edit to add: I'm certainly not saying don't get the seat...I'm saying don't NOT buy the HANS/Hybrid because you don't have the seat.
                  Last edited by luke81; 03-27-2014, 08:49 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Maybe its time for the MFGs to get the Full containment seats and the hans device price down to realistic measures.You put both of these together and its more than a 4cly or a lowere class car!Again these should be standard, not the if I can afford.If the mfgs are makin a 40 to 50 % PROFIT on these there is a lot of room to work with.Im dreaming of course!

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                    • #40
                      Sad event

                      First off, my thoughts and prayers out to the family and friends. I am somewhat alarmed that I see minor kids driving on Stock Car Tracks, because I have seen a case of a minor driving a racing kart and rough riding the others on the track, one competitor was overheard to say, " he does that again, I'm putting him over the fence", someone overheard it and got a lawyer and the guy was taken to court for, "endangerment of a minor" , almost lost his home and business. I feel that in today's litagous society , that no one can afford to put themselves in such a position that they could be sued for everything they own. After seeing the rash of accidential deaths in Nascar Open Wheel Modifieds some yrs. back due to what they said was cars too stiff to avoid totaling in wrecks, but drivers bodies couldn't survive the secondary collision inside the cars, then in Cup racing there were also some deaths from basal skull fracture, hence the Hans and 360 devises. Just saying that a precedent has been set, so why not pay attention to it? I come from an era when drivers wore white T-shirts to drive, how long did it take to get them in suits or jackets that were more protective?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Winger View Post
                        Actually the size and age of a driver has a lot to do with the cause of death in these types of accidents. They are not small adults, they are different. The deaths of the 2 teens in the last few years here, probably would not have been fatal to an adult.
                        Do you have any evidence to support this? I'm seriously asking, not trying to be funny.

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                        • #42
                          Other than the Eau Gallie track, ( top speed of 40 mph) I'm parked till I can get a HANS or something similar. It's just stupid to not have one anymore.
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                          • #43
                            I'm parked till I can get a HANS
                            Palmbayer, Speedworld needs cars. You can borrow mine until you get one. I'll be there with you guys anyway. You will need to put the mounts in your helmet however. Also, your car needs racing belts to hold everything in place.

                            A HANS is not fully effective without a full containment seat, but I can't help you on that.
                            Last edited by Boneman; 03-28-2014, 11:26 AM.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by palmbayer View Post
                              Other than the Eau Gallie track, ( top speed of 40 mph) I'm parked till I can get a HANS or something similar. It's just stupid to not have one anymore.
                              What Eau Gallie track? I thought that closed down.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by egspeedway View Post
                                What Eau Gallie track? I thought that closed down.
                                They are working to re open the dirt track.
                                ROOOOOTAMANN!

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