Payoffs

[8modified]

FUP Series Purse - Super Late Models 100 Laps
1 $2,500.00
2 $1,500
3 $1,000
4 $850
5 $750
6 $675
7 $650
8 $600
9 $650
10 $500
11 $450
12 $425
13 $375
14 $350
(thru 24)
$14,675

Rick post OWM payouts

[Don Nerone]

People PLEASE do your homework before you post things about tracks that just ARE NOT true... I really could care less if someone has an opinion as everyone is certainly entitled, but PLEASE post FACTS.

8Modified - New Smyrna does NOT have different Purses based on Car Count. The Purses are posted clearly, across the board REGARDLESS of how many cars are there. YES, in the past they tried a graduated purse, but they have been back on a flat purse structure for a while.

And for the record, since everyone was cheering so loudly that OSW raised their Purse for the Top Three IF 15 or more cars show up... I made a post at the beginning of the Year that went largely unnoticed and certainly did not receive any bit of a reception on here, that NSS RAISED and in some cases DOUBLED ALL of their Purses for 2013, REGARDLESS of Car Count, all the way thru the field. Are these Purses the highest in the State, NO. But they are GUARANTEED.

And maybe, just maybe, if the Drivers appreciated the step taken by the track to try and get the Purses up and actually showed up in support of this, there would be a chance for another increase down the road.

NSS took the first step by doubling Purses... Now, IN MY OPINION, it's the Drivers turn to take the next one.

The Purses have been posted ONLINE, for everyone to see, since I first posted them back in 2009. http://newsmyrnaspeedway.org/?page_id=32

NSS took the first step by doubling Purses... Now, IN MY OPINION, it's the Drivers turn to take the next one.
Well u know im not a driver but tell me how it worked out for you.
Did u get a lot more cars??

The cars cant be bought.
They can be sold so becareful what u post.
The teams are coustmers and employes. Most of them come to the track to have fun racing.
If they are not having fun there is not enough money in the workd to make them come.
A fair purse is all u need .
Try a smile ..You cant buy that with money..
Oll Tommy wants is a fair shake.
Cant speak for the rest..

Dom62

[floridanajoe]

No one racing local shows expects to make $$. But when I started racing many years ago , my mentor told me if I ran in the top 5 and the purse didn't cover the nights expenses , not covering any problems , go race somewhere else , dirt cars do it every week all over the country , and so do many asphalt tracks.

[JUST-IN-TIME]

rick, why do you have an entry fee? also why do they feel that evryone should be required to buy tires and fuel?

[8modified]

NSS took the first step by doubling Purses... Now, IN MY OPINION, it's the Drivers turn to take the next one.
Well u know im not a driver but tell me how it worked out for you.
Did u get a lot more cars??

The cars cant be bought.
They can be sold so becareful what u post.
The teams are coustmers and employes. Most of them come to the track to have fun racing.
If they are not having fun there is not enough money in the workd to make them come.
A fair purse is all u need .
Try a smile ..You cant buy that with money..
Oll Tommy wants is a fair shake.
Cant speak for the rest..

Dom62

Don I agree with you just a fair purse, but look at the purse at NSS.

18 cars with the teams bring in 4 people per crew @ 30.00 equals 120.00 per car. 18 car at 120.00 equals is 2160.00 The purse is only 1800.00 for the 18 cars. The payout needs to increase from we're it is now all the way down to last place car. I know we bring 6+ to each race plus that many in the stands. DUE THE MATH......

That means the track cover it payout on the back of the racer only. We're is the money's from the stands going?

[Rick Williams]

Sportsman & Truck Purse 50 Laps
1 $750.00
2 $500.00
3 $400.00
4 $300.00
5 $275.00
6 $250.00
7 $225.00
8 $200.00
9 $175.00
10 $150.00
11 $125.00
12 $100.00
13 $90.00
14 $80.00
15 $75.00
(thru 24)
$4,370


OWM Purse 50 Laps
1 1000
2 600
3 450
4 350
5 300
6 250
7 225
8 200
9 175
10 150
11 145
12 140
13 135
14 130
15 125
16 100
(thru 24)
$5,275
Here are the FUPS payouts and we don't cut the purse! We do ask that your purchase your tires and Sunoco Race Fuel from the FUPS Tracks to help support them in return for then giving you a place to race and enjoy your hobby every Saturday night. And yes there was a typo on the SLM Purse it is $550.00 for 9th.
Rick Williams

[scottgarrity07]

It should also be noted that there are NO TIRE AND FUEL REQUIREMENTS for the FUPS OWM's, Sportsman or Trucks. Besides, where else are you gonna buy tires ??? I don't know about the Supers purchase requirements, but their purse is better than three times what the Sportsman/Truck purse is, so the money for that has to come from somewhere. You gotta buy tires and fuel anyway, so why not support those who support the series. In my opinion the FUPS purses are pretty damn good.

[Matt Albee]

It should also be noted that there are NO TIRE AND FUEL REQUIREMENTS for the FUPS OWM's, Sportsman or Trucks. Besides, where else are you gonna buy tires ??? I don't know about the Supers purchase requirements, but their purse is better than three times what the Sportsman/Truck purse is, so the money for that has to come from somewhere. You gotta buy tires and fuel anyway, so why not support those who support the series. In my opinion the FUPS purses are pretty damn good.

You can buy tires from a lot of sources. The issue isn't whether or not to support the series, or the people making money off of the series. The issue is that racers have no choice in the matter, they're forced to buy tires and fuel at prices that are always above the market. The guy running the series makes you buy only his fuel, the tracks make you buy only their tires, even if other , non- FUPS tracks have the very same tires for less money.
Do racing a favor and let racers buy whatever tires and fuel they want at the best prices they can find. And don't force them to buy either one if they don't even need them.

[SSMotorsports14]

You can buy tires from a lot of sources. The issue isn't whether or not to support the series, or the people making money off of the series. The issue is that racers have no choice in the matter, they're forced to buy tires and fuel at prices that are always above the market. The guy running the series makes you buy only his fuel, the tracks make you buy only their tires, even if other , non- FUPS tracks have the very same tires for less money.
Do racing a favor and let racers buy whatever tires and fuel they want at the best prices they can find. And don't force them to buy either one if they don't even need them.

Matt you have your facts wrong. You don't have to buy tires and fuel from the track. They just ask you to because these tracks are the ones that are having the series come to their track and race. Putting up money towards their purse and such. All they are asking is to help support the people that are supporting them. The tires are checked and logged in to the series by the tech officials each and every race. You can get them from somewhere else of than the track if you really choose to do so. Kind of silly if you ask me but that my opinion I guess. I want to support the ones that support me!

[scottgarrity07]

Actually, you can't buy your tires from a lot of sources. Hoosier keeps a tight lid on who sells their tires. They have a handful of distributors spread out to each region of the country. These distributors sell directly to the speedways. You CAN buy direct from them but they will charge you what the tracks charge you PLUS SHIPPING. Not a good option. I used to have my race shop a mile from a regional distributor and the price was exactly the same as the track (better selection tho ) In traveling around I have found that even though the tires prices are similar from track to track, the tires at New Smyrna and Orlando were actually a little more expensive than at the FUPS tracks. As far as race gas goes, I find it about a dollar a gallon higher at the Speedway for it than what you can get if you shop around. If you buy 10 gallons that's $10 more on race night. If I get in my pickup and go buy that gas from my nearest distributor a buck cheaper, that $10 savings vanishes.

[tom77hmstd]

Kevin was nice enough to call and told me that the payoff for FTS for SLM is the same as it was at PGS. I can't find it in the old posts but I do know it is $2200 to win. I did not ask but it used to be a $100 entry. The best I can remember it did pay back better than most.Last races we ran we finished 5th and got $900 on 9-29-12 and a dnf 14th that paid $275 on 12-15-12.

[Matt Albee]

Actually, you can't buy your tires from a lot of sources. Hoosier keeps a tight lid on who sells their tires. They have a handful of distributors spread out to each region of the country. These distributors sell directly to the speedways. You CAN buy direct from them but they will charge you what the tracks charge you PLUS SHIPPING. Not a good option. I used to have my race shop a mile from a regional distributor and the price was exactly the same as the track (better selection tho ) In traveling around I have found that even though the tires prices are similar from track to track, the tires at New Smyrna and Orlando were actually a little more expensive than at the FUPS tracks. As far as race gas goes, I find it about a dollar a gallon higher at the Speedway for it than what you can get if you shop around. If you buy 10 gallons that's $10 more on race night. If I get in my pickup and go buy that gas from my nearest distributor a buck cheaper, that $10 savings vanishes.

If you can buy your tires from any Hoosier Dist., then i'd say you CAN buy your tires from a lot of sources. Let the racers decide if that's a good option or not. Of course all brands of race tires should be legal, but that's another discussion.
Now concerning the gas, there's a Mobil gas station just down the road from the Orlando track that sells race gas for far less money ( more than a dollar for sure ) than the track. We've used it for years. And that's just one example. There are some stations in Sarasota that do too.
We've had this discussion before, and the track owners and series promoters just don't seem to get it. Every penny counts. Putting money into the pockets of track owners and series promoters is just fine. But gouging the racer isn't just fine. Let them bring their own tires, let them bring their own gas. Give the racer the option to purchase from the track or not. It shouldn't be mandatory. Let promoters and track owners find some other way to make additional profit. Any way that doesn't break the back of the competitors.

[scottgarrity07]

As a Racer, it is just not a good option for me to buy tires at nearly the same price as at the Speedway and then have to pay for shipping. Tires do not ship cheap. More expensive options, no matter how numerous, are not better options. I have been racing since 1993 and whether required to or not I have bought my tires and fuel at the Speedway 99% of the time or better (and I am a low-buck racer ALWAYS looking to save a buck) out of conveniences sake. I don't know if the FUPS Supers still have a purchase requirement, but I do know that the other 4 FUPS divisions do not. I'm just happy to finally be able to race in a travelling series after 20 yrs. without having to have a $100,000 race car. I'll support the tracks with tire and fuel purchases that have been kind enough to give me that opportunity. You should come out to the FUPS OWM, Sportsman and Truck Triple 50's at Citrus this Saturday night. With "cone style" restarts, it's one hell of a show...

[Matt Albee]

As a Racer, it is just not a good option for me to buy tires at nearly the same price as at the Speedway and then have to pay for shipping. Tires do not ship cheap. More expensive options, no matter how numerous, are not better options. I have been racing since 1993 and whether required to or not I have bought my tires and fuel at the Speedway 99% of the time or better (and I am a low-buck racer ALWAYS looking to save a buck) out of conveniences sake. I don't know if the FUPS Supers still have a purchase requirement, but I do know that the other 4 FUPS divisions do not. I'm just happy to finally be able to race in a travelling series after 20 yrs. without having to have a $100,000 race car. I'll support the tracks with tire and fuel purchases that have been kind enough to give me that opportunity. You should come out to the FUPS OWM, Sportsman and Truck Triple 50's at Citrus this Saturday night. With "cone style" restarts, it's one hell of a show...

So racers should support the tracks and not buy tires or gas from local suppliers? You'll be getting a call from Race Car Engineering about that advice.

[scottgarrity07]

Not giving advice here. You said "let the racers decide if that's a good option or not", and I'm telling you why it's not a good option for me, speaking as a racer. As far as Racecar Engineering is concerned, I'm sure they don't have any problem with this. They are the major contingency sponsor for ALL FUPS divisions, owner Steve Dorer won the FUPS SLM championship last year and salesman Craig "Beaner" Cuzzone is currently 3rd in FUPS Sportsman points. Don't worry about Racecar Engineering going broke on my account. In the past month I've bought 10 gal. fuel, a top link and a rim from them. Besides, the only tires Racecar Engineering sells are drag tires, quarter midget tires and UMP dirt tires. They're not losing out. Come to the races at Citrus. I know you like good racing, Matt. I'll buy you a beer (after the Sportsman feature).