too many classes?

[kendo]

This past week Oxford Plains, Maine ran a special event --- PASS super late 150, and 3 other classes. Sportsmen, PASS Mods. and Legends , if I remember correctly. That's 4 classes and over 100 cars in the pits. 26 were supers so that left 75+ cars between the 3 remaining classes. Need more classes?? Doesn't sound like it , at least in the wilds of Maine. lol.

Shiloh

Peeps have lots $$$ to throw around in the northeast...down here,not so much

[Shiloh64]

Andre ===I stand corrected. I thought I had the correct number but I was way off. 45!! Those are impressive numbers, even for PASS who usually bring good fields. Do you have the numbers for the other classes? Even if split evenly it's still 55 - 60 cars between three divisions.

Shiloh

[andre]

Sorry, i do not the count for other classes.

And as far as this: Peeps have lots $$$ to throw around in the northeast...down here,not so much
is concerned, it's not the money and the cars that are missing in Florida, it's a way to bring them all under one universal set of rules and one umbrella. How many Late Model of different names are there in FL? And how many on any given night could race together, fit the rules, and be competitive with each others?

If you would have a dedicated group of people that could do a good job at regrouping all those cars under one association, make a business plan that would be fit for the fans, racers and promoters, this could and would work. That is what Tom Mayberry has done with PASS, Tom Curley has done with ACT and many others with other differents associations//sanctions.

[al_tere_go_05]

And as far as this: Peeps have lots $$$ to throw around in the northeast...down here,not so much
is concerned, it's not the money and the cars that are missing in Florida, it's a way to bring them all under one universal set of rules and one umbrella. How many Late Model of different names are there in FL? And how many on any given night could race together, fit the rules, and be competitive with each others?

as far as i know there are only 2 divisions of latemodels in florida. Super lates and pro lates. and on most of the tracks in florida they can race together and be competative.

[andre]

And how many Late Model, Super and Pro, active and parked, would you estimate there are in FL?

[Matt Albee]

And how many Late Model, Super and Pro, active and parked, would you estimate there are in FL?

Probably no where near as many parked as people think. And the ones that are mostly have Lumina bodies on them.

[Matt Albee]

Sorry, i do not the count for other classes.

And as far as this: Peeps have lots $$$ to throw around in the northeast...down here,not so much
is concerned, it's not the money and the cars that are missing in Florida, it's a way to bring them all under one universal set of rules and one umbrella. How many Late Model of different names are there in FL? And how many on any given night could race together, fit the rules, and be competitive with each others?

If you would have a dedicated group of people that could do a good job at regrouping all those cars under one association, make a business plan that would be fit for the fans, racers and promoters, this could and would work. That is what Tom Mayberry has done with PASS, Tom Curley has done with ACT and many others with other differents associations//sanctions.

As any promoter can tell you, the more classes you invent, the more back gate money you have coming in.
Nothing that Tom Curley or Tom Mayberry have done can't be duplicated or even bettered in Florida. But there's one very important ingredient missing in Florida, a genuine promoter. That's what those two men have in common.
They concentrate on giving the fans a show, they concentrate on letting the fans across the nation know when and where the next race is, who participated in the last one, and making sure everyone knows the names of the drivers. And it works because the ACT series doesn't even compete down here yet we're talking about them on a Florida message board.
Those two, and others, have written a good rules package, brought in sponsors to pay the purses instead of relying on the racers and fans to do it, have tirelessly advertised their series, and stuck with their vision for more than a year or two like we see in this state.

[Matt Albee]

I've seen the idea of one class of stock cars mentioned on numerous message boards and forums, yet I don't remember ever seeing it done in Florida. Everyone complains about low car counts in SLM and Pro. Everyone says Sportsman and lower classes have pretty good car counts. So why are they running separate classes? Why aren't those classes combined into one with a few rules adjustments? Instant 50 or 60 car fields. Now SLMs have to negotiate traffic, fan's get a show. Loosen the Sportsman class rules a little and you have a Pro Late.
And no one yet has ever come up with a viable reason NOT to let late model injected computerized cars run. Imports too for that matter. Any track official, former or present, like to weigh in on that question?

[zerofor]

Four divisions

With 20 or so cars in the pits per division equals a decent feature field and at least a halfway entertaining race.Eight divisions equals about 10 cars per feature and in essence a heat race masqerading as a feature.Simply put A CAR CLUB.do they get dash plaques too?

[Lizzard]

Yes, too many classes.

Who gives a shit between LLM, LM. SM, SLM, WS.NWS, etc.

I have been watching racing for 52 years and cant figure it out.

So, let's have.........

1. Fast cars.

2. Trucks.

3. Slower cars.

4. Street type cars.

After that, the fans leave....

[Lizzard]

As any promoter can tell you, the more classes you invent, the more back gate money you have coming in.

As a business man asking questions of one track owner, two track managers and one series promoter......

if you just care about the "back gate" as some short sighted owners/racers/promoters do I think you are misguided....

If our sport is to survive it is about the "FRONT GATE" I believe.

I truely believe that we need to draw FANS in order to keep our tracks open.



Eddie Moran
OSW is my track

[kendo]

And as far as this: [/B]Peeps have lots $$$ to throw around in the northeast...down here,not so much
is concerned, it's not the money and the cars that are missing in Florida, it's a way to bring them all under one universal set of rules and one umbrella. .

Only 5 Pro Late Models,5 modifieds,and 6 trucks showed up at NSS tonight,most without any sponsors on the cars,or on any cars for that matter....are you serious???

Having raced in the northeast and have friends that still do I can assure you racers and car owners up north spend money on racing like they have printing presses in their haulers