too many classes?

[al_tere_go_05]

ministocks (tubular pintos and mustangs)

streetstocks (vintage monte carlos)

hobby stocks/superstocks (more vintave monte carlos)

trucks (vintage mont carlos with truck bodies)

sportsman (vintage monte carlos,camaros, and old late models)

modifieds (out dated vintage impala based cars with no fenders)

E-mods (slower vintage impalas)

Super Lates (tube chassis racecars that are being ruined by spec rules)

Pro lates ( slow superldumbed down superlated.)

I personally think there arnt enough classes (since we cant expand existing classes.) Where is there a class for people who want to race a v6 or any modern production based car? How about a class where People can run whatever they feel like building, a class where the cars dont have body,motor,and chassis rules? and do i dare even mention things like fuel injection and forced injection on here. Its 2013 lets get out of the stone ages already.

maybe one day there will be a class like that and i will once again become interested in stock car racing, until then have fun racing your chariots.

[zerofor]

Giddeeup hossy

[Jack Burroughs]

Too many classes?

When looking at it from your perspective it makes some sense, but be aware that that concept ruined the old AHRA drag racing group because they had too many 3-4 car classes and then went to bracket racing. Today's organized Kart racing suffers from a similar problem but with too many non-descript classes that all look the same to any average spectator. The downturned economy is another factor, particularly when you consider that many prospective spectators have less disgresionary income to spend and more places/things to spend it on, like off of S.R. 100, in Bunnell, a Mud park that attracts 2-3 thousand heads for a week end, camping watching, drinking beer etc. Then throw in 4-5 trascks that all want to race the same night some with same classes, how long can these things last?

[Boneman]

I really don't understand the resistance to modernizing the rule book for hobby level, street car based classes. There is no good reason that so few modern cars are allowed to compete. Why aren't they being phased in? EFI, 6 cylinders, FWD, etc.. are clogging up junkyards and Craigslist, yet most rule books still only allow rear wheel drive V8's

Its not all the tracks fault either, because Orlando and New Smyrna do have a class where "anything goes". Their strictly stock class is open to anything, but recently most of the small and modern cars have parked, and the class is again filled with antique RWD V8's.

SCCA has done a good job of keeping their competitors in modern equipment, and I have say it is interesting to watch them because I find myself cheering for the funny looking SAAB, or the unusual Audi wagon, or maybe the mini cooper.

[kendo]

Asphalt tracks? Yes...
Been going to the races since 1968 and could not tell you the difference between todays SLM,LLM,PLM,etc...You can bet the average fan has no clue either
You need to have 1 class of late models that brings the same weekly drivers which creates the need for a weekly program for fans to follow.

[al_tere_go_05]

if our "open motor" modified class will allow $20,000 v8's why not allow efi turbo charged v6's or turbo charged stroker dohc 4 cyls?

why not allow 6 cyl cars in classes other than strictly stock? how bout cars like nissan z's, mazda rx series, BMW 3 series, mustangs, Camaros runing against our vintace monte carlos in a sportsman or hobby stock type class. Why make the modern cars stick to the strictly stock classes? There is every type of performance part already available for these cars.

[andre]

How about a jig like XX inches high, XX inches wide, and XX inches long. Your car must fit in that box. And a U shape gauge for tire width + a durometer punch number, & minimum weight. And go for it, give it your best shot.

[zerofor]

How about

An open competiton 6 cylinder/4 cylinder class.Any type body any type 4 or 6 cylinder running gear.Sixty series STREET tires only.No tech except for safety equipment.Eliminates the need or desire to cheat.Weigh them pre race and a bonus if the heaviest car can win.Bonus if the farthest traveler wins.I would love to see an all 6 cylinder class run,but Punta Gorda tried that and had to scrap the whole thing because nobody built cars for it.Hey I would even love to see a soccer mom class.All mini-vans.Punta Gorda wants to run Road Warriors and Cowboy Cadillac's'and hell they're one and the same,just one has a pickup body.If they would combine the two I could at least watch a 15 or 16 car feature instead of 9 or 10 of one and a half dozen of the other.But that's just me and what am I ? Just some peeon paying to get in.

[Jimmy McKinley]

I thought I posted this same concern in Nerone's thread...LOL

[Dana Barlow]

I been on this BAND WAGON ;get out of old rule hold over junk for years,but it maybe time to be blunt. The promoters and racers for the most part are too redneck to find out how to use computer controled IF and spark ,, Open a book ,its not that hard really,I'm 70 and even I can work with this new stuff,so we have no new car input that would be a big boost, I think and have said so many times.
Ideas to do; Let any chip be used,any headers. but stock other parts,Still EZ to class stuff by cu.in. and HP spec.get real about lbs.=these new motors are very lite and you don't need high lbs. for the car ether,get them new and lite and they will be very fast,speed is repect and a show. But I got stuff said before like how do you do that,WTF just do it and fix any wrong guess at rule,ya got to start it,cuz it should of been started over 10years ago.

[zerofor]

you did,our attention spans are just short

I thought I posted this same concern in Nerone's thread...LOL

Wait a minute,what were we talking about?

[Lurkin]

I see what you .... Hey a penny.

[Shiloh64]

This past week Oxford Plains, Maine ran a special event --- PASS super late 150, and 3 other classes. Sportsmen, PASS Mods. and Legends , if I remember correctly. That's 4 classes and over 100 cars in the pits. 26 were supers so that left 75+ cars between the 3 remaining classes. Need more classes?? Doesn't sound like it , at least in the wilds of Maine. lol.

Shiloh

[kendo]

ministocks (tubular pintos and mustangs)

streetstocks (vintage monte carlos)

hobby stocks/superstocks (more vintave monte carlos)

trucks (vintage mont carlos with truck bodies)

sportsman (vintage monte carlos,camaros, and old late models)

modifieds (out dated vintage impala based cars with no fenders)

E-mods (slower vintage impalas)
.

With all due respect,the vintage late model cookie cutter bodies have not changed much either since the 1990 Lumina style body was introduced.Fans like race cars because they are cool to look at.Personally,I would rather watch paint dry than watch todays late models.They simply lack character...Anyone who watched modified coupes,Gremlins,Pintos,and Vegas race in the 60's-70's with jam packed stands knows what I am talking about.

Would love to see 1 class of late models with mandated Camaro,Mustang,Charger,etc bodies on them...These are the cars that the younger crowd identify with.It is the reason NASCAR has made the change.

[andre]

That's 4 classes and over 100 cars in the pits. 26 were supers so that left

There was 45 Super Late Model at Oxford last w/e.

Here's the finish
OFFICIAL PASS NORTH SLM RESULTS
150 Laps - Oxford Plains - 4/21/13
1. 77 - Cassius Clark - 150 Laps
2. 73 - Joey Doiron - 150
3. 17 - Travis Benjamin - 150
4. 4n - Ben Rowe - 150
5. 48 - Bobby Timmons - 150
6. 60 - DJ Shaw - 150
7. 22 - Aaron Ricker - 150
8. 94 - Shawn Martain - 150
9. 57me - Austin Theriault - 150
10. 28 - Kirk Thibeau - 150
11. 91 - Patrick Laperle - 150
12. 23 - David Farrington Jr. - 150
13. 14 - Bradley Babb - 150
14. 00 - Bryan Kruczek - 150
15. 80 - Richie Dearborn - 150
16. 47 - Kelly Moore - 150
17. 42 - Corey Bubar - 149
18. 7l - Glen Luce - 148
19. 35 - Derek Ramstrom - 148
20. 7 - Curtis Gerry - 148
21. 97 - Joey Pole - 148
22. 75 - Gary Smith - 147
23. 27qc - Alex Gingras - 147
24. 21qc - Jean Dery - 147
25. 84qc - Marin Latulippe - 143
26. 84 - Scott Mulkern - 138
27. 20 - Michael Landry - 138
28. 55 - Tony Ricci - 89
29. 21 - David Oliver - 74
30. 24 - Mike Rowe - 73
31. 54 - Johnny Clark - 63
32. 39 - Mike Maittea - 51
33. 60b - Tim Bracket - 49
34. 13 - Dustin Hubbard - 33