FUPS Pro-Trucks - No manufactured clips are allowed ! to clarify !

[UREZ2PASS]

Why not open up the rules and quit worrying about geometry ? Let racers be racers and let them use good, mass produced racing designed parts ? A pre-fabricated control arm with heim joints is less expensive than an OEM part and a tube clip is less expensive than a stock clip after the labor is done. A quick change rearend sure makes life easier when racing multiple tracks. I understand keeping cost down, but are we really keeping them down by mandating stock parts ?

[Rick B.]

Its not about tube chassis

This was suppose to be about front clips to make repairs, not build trucks. It is to make it easier to get since junk yards do not have. Now it has grown into building late model trucks...come on guys. I am not delaying anything cause it was told to the only person that asked about using these for repairs that they would not run in 2013. So nothing had changed except we will look into allowing these for front clip repairs in 2014. This could go on forever, and we may be building new space vehicles soon. I am not saying there is not possibly a need for the clips as they get tough to find, but again it must be implemented properly. So I am done debating this, and will work with Rick Williams, Mike Rensburger and Carl Green on possibly allowing these in 2014. That is where this is at. Thanks

[rmac]

Now I see why no one wants to start a series down here.

[Bigbuck]

Just courious, how mant series do we have now? How many do we need?

[mbr27]

His is from a supplier in North Carolina, and what needs to be checked and researched is are they a proper replacement, or is all the geometry changed etc. I have the info on that one. How can it be checked easily at the track without taking it apart. But when one is allowed others will want in as well, some will want to build them like AMF. The point is there has to be procedures and ways to check if they are right. Changing rules should be done with proper thought and research and procedures to check them. This is what we are trying to do but we will not make this kind of a rules change now or in the middle of the season, but announce toward end of the season for the new year, after it has been researched and when checks and procedures are in place. Thanks

you say you have all the information it's a direct replacement of the front clip there's no geometry changes .they make a no go gauge it takes 15 mins to check it! I have seen it done! of course you cant have 1 supplier . so why don't you call Bobby Owens go over and look at it and take some measurements .

[Rick B.]

We I am sure will be checking with him on that one, along with others.

We will get with him, but it will not change the time frame of the change of this rule, please understand that. The series will run under the rules that are printed on the www.floridaunitedpromotersseries.com website for 2013. Any big rule changes will be announced and done at the seasons end. Small clarification amendments may be done if needed on other rules. Thanks

[UREZ2PASS]

Why don't y'all check the geometry on all the stock clips the first race. I bet you will find a lot of cheated up stock clips. Unless you are gullible enough to believe nobody cheats up stock clips.

[Lurkin]

What research do u need to do ? What the $ so you can get a piece of the action!! All the tracks up north are allowing the racers to use them!!!

What research? So he can get a piece of the action? All the tracks up north are doing it?

I'm so very glad he's in charge.

[Rick Day]

slotted Drag Link mounts

UREZ you are right about the stock suspension. and Rick B im not trying to get into this discussion, im only bringing it up to make you aware of what I have personally seen being done. I know that i have seen were they have slotted the mounting points on the drag link to change the geometry. It was being done on a Modified but the person doing it at the time was building a shitload of the trucks back then.

[Lurkin]

Well utlimately, relatively soon imho, if we want to keep racing these things (trucks-sportsman-whatever) they're going to have to be "manufactured" somewhere else. It's got to evolve, they evolved a ton in my 45 year lifespan. I never really saw Coupes, but they went from 55 Chevy frames under camaro bodies to what we have now (Late Models anyway). Seems whatever looks right on the outside and attracts fans and whatever underneath is cheap and ez to maintain for the racers would be the way to go. QC rears seem smarter imo, I want something I can easily change to run everywhere.

I'm glad you're taking a methodical intelligent look at it

[DNM731]

Something I want to make sure trucks know there is no approved manufactured clip for the FUPS series. I know something has posted that it is approved for Florida trucks, it is not. There is research being conducted on them and may be changed or done for 2014, but they are not legal for 2013 on the FUPS series. This came from a meeting last night with Rick Williams, Mike Rensburger, Carl Green and myself. Want it to be clear. Unless you see it in the series rules or it is announced by the series do not listen to it. Thanks

I just moved to Florida, from the north and I have pro truck with a manufactured front clip of the metric chassis.There is no difference between the oem and manufactured front clip!! As we know that the oem parts are hard to find!!! WELL I GUESS I WON'T BE RACING THIS YEAR AT SUCKS!!

[DNM731]

Something I want to make sure trucks know there is no approved manufactured clip for the FUPS series. I know something has posted that it is approved for Florida trucks, it is not. There is research being conducted on them and may be changed or done for 2014, but they are not legal for 2013 on the FUPS series. This came from a meeting last night with Rick Williams, Mike Rensburger, Carl Green and myself. Want it to be clear. Unless you see it in the series rules or it is announced by the series do not listen to it. Thanks

I just moved to Florida, from the north and I have pro truck with a manufactured front clip of the metric chassis.There is no difference between the oem and manufactured front clip!! As we know that the oem parts are hard to find!!! WELL I GUESS I WON'T BE RACING THIS YEAR THAT SUCKS!!

[scottgarrity07]

Hey DNM731, welcome to Florida! Don't give up. I'm sure if you call around they will let you run that truck in a weekly show like at Showtime, New Smyrna, Orlando, etc. Rick is just trying to do the right thing and research stuff before they give everyone the green light. All the trucks currently running have the stock clip, so to change the rule to allow fab clips less than a month before the season opener would just make the "big money" guys go weld on a clip to give themselves what they would percieve to be an advantage. In my opinion it would be more advantageous to get your feet wet at some of these local tracks then go full bore into the truck tour next year when the clip is made legal. Good luck!

[SSMotorsports14]

I just moved to Florida, from the north and I have pro truck with a manufactured front clip of the metric chassis.There is no difference between the oem and manufactured front clip!! As we know that the oem parts are hard to find!!! WELL I GUESS I WON'T BE RACING THIS YEAR THAT SUCKS!!

If you have a manufactured front clip you don't have a pro truck. You have a super truck, Midwest tour ASA truck or late model truck. Those are not legal here in Florida. Sorry but Florida don't have those classes!

[DNM731]

If you have a manufactured front clip you don't have a pro truck. You have a super truck, Midwest tour ASA truck or late model truck. Those are not legal here in Florida. Sorry but Florida don't have those classes!

I use to run the New England Truck Series .My is not a super truck or asa or latemodel truck!! NETS has the same rules as the Florida pro trucks. they allow manufactured front clips and lower control arms!!