Who is in charge of Fascar?

[pintodave]

Round D' Round,

Thats what all of the local racers are irritated about - there wont be an answer. Its not about "one" particular incident. This confusion and lack of communication is what the Florida scene is all about and everyone knows it. The local racers are just begining to be more vocal about it, only because they want to improve the racing and not let it die a slow painful death as it has been. Not to be negative, and not to drag politics into this, but its much like the financial situation in this country - (most) people can see the problem, a few have decent ideas on how to fix it, and those with the power to fix it never will because it doesnt effect them.

[carolwicks]

huh?

( this post is to pinto ..i think it was he who said the track owners dont care. or it wont affect them.. i cant find it now...)

how can it not affect them? it is their livelihood. not all of whats happening is the track owners faults...
i may be wrong about some things but i really dont think the owners dont care... it may seem that way but i think they are desperately seeking ways to survive. i think out of desperation some of them are making mistakes but if they fail we can either go to another track or find another sport. they will lose their life long dreams, maybe their homes, and alot more. i think sometimes we are very hard on them and it turns them... no one WANTS to fail...
carolwicks aka OZ

[ovalracer44]

I do want to make a comment about promoters and their bad attitudes and unwillingness to help racers save money.

I have had promoters/ tell me that racers need them more than they need us. False statement. None of us are making a living racing. This is a hobby for me. Once the fun is gone I call it quits. Promoters are quickly taking the fun out of racing. I can find another hobby I enjoy, I have plenty. Racers quit the promoters/owners are out of business or out of a job.

Who hurts more? I will probably save more money than I ever thought possible if racing died. Probably would not be a bad thing.

[Todd McCreary]

says stuff

and that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why it's so important for tracks to start operating in a professional manner as well as a friendly one. this is the reason why Jim Flynn / www.itsahoot.com quit this year. and he's not coming back.

i don't know how bad the economy is going to get but i think i was the first one on here to point out that this year was guaranteed to be worse than '07 back in the winter. this is yet another reason why racers find it so easy to stay home.




Is it fair to say
This is a dead horse!

yes and no.

do i think that i'm going to change the minds of the people who pull the trigger on things like this in the first place? no.

is there a possibility that someone further up the chain of command can get shaken out of their complacency into making a decision or finding someone competent to run things? maybe.

but if something isn't done there's a good possibility we'll all be sitting at home because a bunch more tracks have been shut down.

i already have a minimum one hour and fifteen minute drive to get to the closest race. i don't need to be towing three hours one way to put a car on the track.

[SlideShowBob]

Cash Cows, Crash Dummies and Adrenaline Junkies

Agreed - "some kind of response from the FASCAR B.O.S.S is expected" (not from Rusty Marcus). If not consider it short sighted on their part.

Why are they hiding from this and not making a statement to the racers?

Because maybe, just maybe if they hide from the real issues and ignore the problem long enough people will just forget.

Don't let this one go, or let FASCAR (mis)-Management of the hook this time if you want any respect in the future.

Even the big 800 pound gorilla (NASCAR) would make some kind of a BS statement. “Under the circumstance…bla..bla..bla…this will not..bla..bla..bla be tolerated and bla..bla..Bla.”

I am not surprised that ovalracer44 said “promoters/ tell me that racers need them more than they need us.” This IS their perception. It can be changed by the racers through an "attitude adjustment."

Racers and car owners are just treated like crap because they are looked at as cash cows, crash dummies and adrenaline junkies that will just keep coming back for more. The racers are the "show" and the “paying customer" and should be treated as such. Any business person would know this. Car counts (back gate) are way down, Weekly fans in the stands (front gate) counts are ridiculously low. This is how tracks fail to profit or even stay open, we have seen it time and again.

At minimum there needs to be some mutual respect between FASCAR and its racer teams.

Going forward from today if the racers don’t demand it this time in this case the racers are the big loosers and FASCAR (or any other sanctioning body you race with) will fail. Stay home (or if you can’t help yourself race somewhere else) for a couple of weeks and see what happens.

NOW…….FASCAR needs to respond to their not upholding the rules that are written and be consistent in enforcing them. Specifically, in this case as it pertains to the suspension of Jessica Murphy.

BTW…..does anyone out there know of another sport where the teams or competitors PAY the VENUE to ENTERTAIN the PAYING FANS as they do in auto-racing ???

IMHO, I ain’t so sure this horse is dead yet…..there is fresh manure in your pit stall (that we "dung boat" at the back gate):

If we all stop paying for it there will be a sign out front like this........

[ovalracer44]

Here is how you fix this.

Everyone get to the track. Let the fans pile in, all 250 of them, after driver meeting before racing is supposed to start everyone load cars on trailers and leave. Let the track try to figure out how to deal with the problem. Listen to the tune start to change.

With the cost of racing these days there is only so much crap someone will put up with before they quit. And as the costs go up less can afford to start racing so there is no one to replace those that quit.

[pintodave]

Carol,

I understand your point. Take Ocala Speedway for example. Years of shoddy promotership, owners going under, etc...

Mike Peters buys it and has to make it work, he runs it like a business. It is his business. I dont personally know Mike that well, but we had a great time racing there last year. Payouts were good (literally making more money finishing 5th there than for a win at NSS), lots of cars in the pits, lots of people in the stands. Rules were rules, from what I saw they were enforced to the best of their ability. I didnt want to see it go to dirt, but Mike knew what he was doing obviously, and is getting even more cars than last year. He manages and promotes the track like a business. The happier his "customers" are, the more money he makes. Customers being fans AND racers.

Again, I am not trying to fingerpoint, or make examples, but the fact remains that there are tracks with owners and/or promoters that dont pay their mortgage based off the success of one track. Smart for them, diversity in your investments/cash flow is the way to go. Unfortunately I think this might lead to a "ho-hum who cares lets get our few bucks at the back gate" attitude and not try to make the track the best it can be.

[flraceguy]

Pinto

Damn Man... For shame... You mean actually pay the drivers enough to get them there, let them eat, pay for their gas, and one adult beverage after the race..

Jeepers man I don't know what would happen..

ROFLMAO

[SlideShowBob]

The Original Question

"But who is actually in charge of the Fascar sanctioning body?"

[Frasson118]

It seems to be the person named "Not Me".

As far as who made this call (or is it a Non-call) on Murphy, the closest answer I've found is "we know who it ISN'T".

[Round D' Round Racer]

Is It Fair To Ask "is

This is a dead horse"

I am new on this board, but have been following certain subjects.

Not knowing all the people involved on this issue I can see where it may just be a dead end street. It appears the young lady got to race and you can't change the past. If it was a screw up or done on purpose - IT WAS DONE.

Perhaps it was one of the "Favorite Deals", who knows? But my money is on the fact no one will ever know.
Just my 2 cents from So. Ga

Since I asked that question last month... no answer. I stick with the statement that my money is on the gfact no one will ever know.

So. Ga rides again!

[Edm]

I am sure SOMEONE knows but your right, I doubt someone will acknowledge anything.

[SlideShowBob]

We all know...

...it is the ones with the money.

Just go ahead and Re-write the rule book.

"Anyone who can spend more money at the track, with the series or with FASCAR approved vendors will be allowed to pass tech and continue to compete regardless of on or off track activities as long as the money keeps coming to us."

"Not lining our pockets will be considered to be an action detrimental to FASCAR and will be cause for penalties such as, Black flag, being put to the rear, tech teardowns, fines and suspensions to be upheld."

"Donations to promote favoritism are accepted and not revealed to the public"

[ALASKA54]

And all the time I thought "Who" was on first base, years later I find out he is in charge of FASCAR.