Crate Modfieds Desoto Super Speedway In 09

[x90 John Sarppraicone]

Looking for input Sealed Crate Motors From Desoto for 09 for the Modifieds

Our sealed ZZ 4 motors
Win two races and exchange motor with our house motor
Cheet up motor you will lose points for entire season and points money

This puts the driver in control not cubic dollars
Motors $4800.00 plus tax at our cost or lower it can be done any input give me a call 941-748-3171

Motors will be controlled by us and only sold by us thanks John Sarppraicone

[calres22]

Looking for input Sealed Crate Motors From Desoto for 09 for the Modifieds

Our sealed ZZ 4 motors
Win two races and exchange motor with our house motor
Cheet up motor you will lose points for entire season and points money

This puts the driver in control not cubic dollars
Motors $4800.00 plus tax at our cost or lower it can be done any input give me a call 941-748-3171

Motors will be controlled by us and only sold by us thanks John Sarppraicone

John,
I understand what you are trying to do here with the crate motors, but i do not think it is going to work. First problem is that if a person does not have your crate motor, will they be able to run at your track. If not, all you are doing is isolating yourself from everyone else. That is not good for you or the sport. Also, when it comes time for rebuild, who is going to be able to do it, or do you just trade it in for a brand new motor?

I think you should read what i have posted in the post about the extreme modifieds. The answer is not about big motor, little motor, its about leveling the playing field and saving the racer money. The answer to that is hard tires. Cant get traction, whats the point of a big motor? I am pretty much running a gulfcoast modified motor up here in ohio against big motors and I am winning. Tires are lasting 6 races on right sides, which saves me money. That is how you get more cars. Include everyone instead of isolating a few.
For my class rules go to www.kilkare.com

[dd38]

Are you talking about the regular ZZ4 (street car version) or the circle track version (604) that already comes with a circle track pan?

[x90 John Sarppraicone]

That is correct 604, If some one does nothing then their will be no racing left in the state. I will say this come with a soulution to the Problem About Florida racing ,here say is bs, or by a track,sorry if this sounds to harsh.

X90 John Sarppraicone

[Winger]

I think this is a step in the right direction. Calres22 also makes a good point about possibly isolating yourself. If you can get other tracks/sanctions to have the same rule, I think it will work and may even work very well. Let's get everyone to work together and on the same page. Good Luck.

[x90 John Sarppraicone]

Any one is more than welcome to come on board, but in the past I have worked with everyone or tried to ,it seems like no one is true to their word so I am on my own .Thanks again John Sarppraicone for the racer.

[modracer22]

I agree all your going to do is split a class that doesn't have that many cars anyways. Also except for a few drivers alot of us can't run out and buy a create motor to run one track. I agree something as to be done but making people spend more and for the most part people just don't have it isn't the way to go. I agree with the treaded tire. I ran on them and it would equal up the field and save racers money. Rick Day tried it in SARA and I set 3rd fast time at lakeland with less motor then the gulf coast guys run. With the economy the way it is the last thing I would want to do is make the racer spend more money. Take a look at shady bowl speedway car counts and some others that run the treaded tires. A post in another thread said that citrus was going to do a treaded tire test. I would contact them and see what they are doing.

[pintodave]

I think the crate motor is good in concept but again, it will take cooperation between all tracks to make it work or else there will be more separation between racers. I think its a good idea, but then it goes from crate motors to, "oh well you can run this motor from this person." Oh but now theres an advantage. Well... ok then add 50 lbs. And so forth... This always seems to be what happens...

I still say treaded tires, 358 max ci, iron heads.

[Tim]

John, call Don tomorrow and we will help the modifieds come into effect again. We have been testing different motor rules and tire combinations to create an economical modified class for the last month. We do have input that can help this while expanding this class to more than one track.

Thanks,
Tim

[calres22]

I can not stress this enough. If you go with a hard treaded tire, you do not need motor rules. What happens when you have motor rules is you have guys looking to circumvent them and do what it takes to get the least bit of advantage. These are the tires we run up here if you are interested. Mods: Goodyear D2562, D2563, D2663 and D2462. Call your tire supplier and see if you can get a set in. I bet you could find someone who would be willing to test them for you.
Caleb Reschar
Desoto Speedway Modified #22 year 2000-2004
Kilkare Speedway Modified #38 year 2007-2008

[modracer22]

I'm glad your testing new motor combinations out and by this how in the world are you saving us any money? I'm sorry but don't think they will ever run a treaded tire because it would take money out of the promoters pocket. It a same that there will be a few making the decissions for the masses. The point the answe is right under there noise and can't see it. First kit was the gulfcoast motor that spilt the class and what a deal that was at 12 to 15 k but they did nothing else to save the racer money. Then I was told that they were kicking around a spec motor for the mods. Once again put more money in the promoters pucket and you stillhave not save anybody any money.

[john tenney]

If they ran treads at OSW you could give your old tires to the Superstocks . . . what a novel idea

[Kenny Alderman]

Most modified racers are average working people, with the exception of a handfull. I don't believe too many will be receptive to spending $4800 on a new engine. How many cars are sitting because they can't spend $600-$700 per race for tires, gas and entry? Along with others in this thread, I believe if you can get to the point where it costs maybe $200 per race, you would get more to race. The only way to do this is with a hard tire that will last 4-5 races, with out lap times dropping off much. Like the others have written, this will allow smaller engines to hook-up better than the big ones.

I would always start the races by points, faster in rear. If you can get at least 20 per race and put on a good show with lots of passing, the grandstands would surely have more people in them. They come to see racing, not follow the leader! Your better drivers are still going to make it at least close to the front. There might even be an occasional new face to win.

Everyone knows all tracks are in the tire sales business and you need the profit from tires to help out with your expenses. I would suggest raising the entry fees to offset the profit on tire sales.

[ancrdave]

Do the math... Right now you get 5-8 mods on a given night... If the concensus is to go with the hard tire and fields increase to the 16-20 range: The extra cars would all have to (1) pay to get in, (2) buy fuel, (3) buy food at the concession etc., etc.,... You get my drift... Who cares if they buy tires once every three months... You'll make money just from having more cars... More cars= a better show= more fans in the stands... So simple even a caveman could understand it... Any cavemen out there willing to promote??

[Frasson118]

You Modified guys can rest easy now, knowing that Sappraicone and Don Nerone are out to fix your class.

The class does need fixing, but aren't these 2 a big part of why it's in trouble in the first place? The last thing you guys need is a division where you have to get your motors from John and fuel and tires from Don.