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  • #16
    Ego, you are right on with your statement about crates. But this is not about crate motors. They love a chip and will run against it all day. With the compression of a spec motor it's a different story.

    As far as the dyno goes, you are right. Don was simply saying that rig them how you want the difference in horsepower was the same. Their ratings showed 50hp more while ours showed 50hp less. But the difference between the motors were the same.

    And the last statement, who said the spec motor was a stock production block with PM rods?

    You are also right in your last post about the chip, who the hell at NSS is going to tech this? Who has the technology to tech this? If they tear the motor down to the ground who would know what they are looking at? Just because I said this airline booking agents are being called now.

    People don't think! Don was right, why create a rule that you can't enforce? I guess it was fashionable? Welcome to America, we just pissed off our whole state because we did not want to offend three people.

    I really can't argue this anymore, this entire subject is about the racers, if this is what they want they will show it in car counts at the Brighthouse races. If this is what they don't want, I guess car counts at every other race track in Florida, the Sunbelt Series and 50 lap races with televised broadcasts at Columbia will have to increase. The racers will dictate what happens from here.

    I absolutely hate to go against another track in Florida but I feel like this track is going against every super late model racer in the entire state of Florida. Time will tell, I stand on the side of the racers, not because it's fashionable, but because (even before the first motor was sold) it's what we promised the drivers it would be (including the drivers that did not want to purchase one) and that promise also came from all parties at NSS including all current ownership, management and staff.
    Last edited by Tim; 05-13-2008, 10:35 PM.
    You can educate the ignorant......but you cant fix stupid

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    • #17
      I may be wrong.....

      This was my understanding but wasn't the main problem with the progressive spec motor because that motor has the same HP as the "big motors" but were allowed to run less weight & more left side weight? Hence a competetive advantage....

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      • #18
        ok, here we go again

        SLMnum8, yes, you are correct. there is a competitive edge with less weight and more left side weight. But, alot of you are still forgetting that a SPEC motor doesn't have Steel heads. it has Aluminum. hence, less weight again. Weight them, there's a big difference!!!! Now. let's put that weight where we need it on the left side of the car because the rules say we can have more leftside weight. Let's take out another 50lbs because the rules say we can. . ok now, let's add a Progressive SPEC motor that's suppose to be legal, yeah right. depends on how much money you have, you can have any work you want done to it because Steve doesn't have a so called parts list and tolerances too those parts. if there was a parts list, PLEASE tell me where this is because last i knew NOBODY/Promotors in and around Florida or the country for that matter has this list.
        Please HARDKNOCKSRACING. Why in the heck would anybody that has half a brain and knew what was going on would put up, or better yet even deal with such a situation.You knock a man that has driven more miles around a race track than most of his competitors, i didn't say all of his competitors I said most. he has the brains and know how to make a car handle like no other. If you beat him on a LEVEL playing field he would be the first to tell you that you beat me,Period!! he has brought up the subject for alot of drivers and car owners that didn't have the guts to say anything. and you knock him for it. get your facts straight before you open your jaws. Please!!!!

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        • #19
          I don't buy the motor blow up on the chip. I was at laeland when the super lates with the spec motors ran with the asa cars they were on the chip and didn't see anyone blow up and made for some good racing. I might be wrong about it being a spec motor if I am then guess what turn them 7200 end of problem. You know everyone complains the track does nothing to even up the field and they final do or atleast try to and they get bashed. There might be fall out at first but hope they stick to there guns and guess what if they had 30 plus cars at the race maybe just maybe they would pay better.

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          • #20
            84 everything you have said has no basis for your opinion anymore. Your hero now owns one. He's now a cheater (as he has accused the rest) like the rest of the spec motor owners. He didn't just stumble into the game, he "knew" what he was talking about and went and bought the motor he thought was cheated up the most! Heaven only knows what he shows up with on Saturday night at NSS to prove his point. Regardless, like i said it's all for show at this point. NSS has already acknowledged that they have been duped and that they f-ed up, so let's see weather they play Wayne's game, or do the right thing.
            Last edited by Tim; 05-14-2008, 09:47 PM.
            You can educate the ignorant......but you cant fix stupid

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            • #21
              These "I hate Wayne" posts are pure comedy. Take one look at his verrrrrry long list of late model victories in this great country of ours and not just this state. If you had to pick a late model driver in this state to try to work in some engine rules, I'd look at Wayne, Mike Cope, Jimmy Cope, Dick Anderson, David Rogers, guys that have been doing this awhile and have won a bunch of races. And if Pete Orr was still alive I'd put him at the top of the list.

              I seriously doubt that Wayne would go out of his way to deliberately rework rules for the freakin' Brighthouse Challenge series. No disrespect to the series, because I go to them as a paying spectator, but it's not the highest paying series in the world and the amount of effort it would take Wayne to so-call cheat up the rules wouldn't be worth the payout.

              I'm all for anything that brings out more super late models at the moment and we'll just have to see how this plays out. I don't see how car counts can possibly get worse.
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              • #22
                i don't like to see rules changes like this in the middle of the season,however the series needs help.one can always look at rules packages from other successful areas of the country.

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                • #23
                  Jack, everything you said is my point, everyone that you mentioned with the exception of Pete has a spec motor. Pete left us before it's time. So if it was a horrible motor idea and motor rule why does Wayne own one now?

                  Remember, in his verrrrrry long list of wins........other drivers were saying, "we have to do something about him and his motors!" Nothing was done! Racers caught on and racing evolved! They came back AND KICKED HIS ASS! And it will evolve beyond the spec motors but you cannot stop evolution! If this were anything other than Super Late Models I would support everything that everyone said. But it's not.
                  You can educate the ignorant......but you cant fix stupid

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                  • #24
                    And on and on it goes....

                    Wow we talk about getting facts straight ok. Spec motors do have aluminum heads and they do get a 50lb weight break but they DO NOT get extra left side that is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard and you MRS 84 should know that. Here is the rule from fascar..( Maximum 58% of the total weight of the car will be on the left side, checked at any time before, during and after time trials and/or racing event, with driver sitting in normal driving position with helmet and driving uniform ). Read people before we speak out about things we dont know and don't understand.
                    As far as depends on how much money it cost for a spec to be legal how much was the check Wayne made out to Progressive for that motor he just got and how do we know its legal I bet that one hurt. He bought the one motor he told everyone was cheated up how does that make him look??
                    What exactly would you consider a level playing field Waynes got 40k motors the best of everything at least 4 of the best supers in the state a sponsor that gives him anything he wants NO questions ask so how is he at a disadvantage?
                    Oh yeah if wayne wants a rule changed he would go out of his way even for a bright house race just because he could and people would listen it could be at any track he just wants to have his hands in alittle bit of everything.
                    I don't know if anyones going to be around NSS on Friday night but swing in Wayne will be there testing his new spec motor out so he can let the tech guys that are in HIS pockets know exactly what chip the spec needs. So this could be still up in the air anyone who goes bring a variety so when Wayne makes his decision you will be prepared.
                    Lists of motor parts is what everyone wants go see the track everyone has one just got to ask but for the people that are unable i'm gonna see what I can do..

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Tim View Post
                      Remember, in his verrrrrry long list of wins........other drivers were saying, "we have to do something about him and his motors!" Nothing was done! Racers caught on and racing evolved! They came back AND KICKED HIS ASS! And it will evolve beyond the spec motors but you cannot stop evolution! If this were anything other than Super Late Models I would support everything that everyone said. But it's not.
                      Since that very long list includes the All American 400, NASCAR All-Pro Series Championship, Snowball Derby, Texas Big Shot, etc. that came when he was running the same Automotive Specialists egnine package that every other big name touring late model driver in the country was using -including Mike Cope and Rick Crawford, your comment about something has to be done about him and his motors has no merit. People in this state may have been saying that but since you are referencing my quote of his "verrrrrry long list of wins" you might want to get your facts straight first.
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                      • #26
                        I may have been mixing up...

                        ....the left side weight advantage with the ASA crate motors...my bad.

                        As a SLM driver, the "rumors" from other teams/drivers in the pits since Steve came out with the Spec motor was that the Progressive Spec Motor was the way to go because it put out the same HP and the "high dollar" motors...but was cheaper and you get a weight break. Can't beat that right? So why is Wayne in the wrong for buying one..all he said before is that he couldn't compete with it with what he currently had wioth the rules at the time. Now he's the bad guy for getting one? I'd say he's the smarter man lol and lucky he has the $ and/or sponsorship to get it.

                        I can understand the other teams point as well with not wanting to change...but if they all have put the chip this weekend then go out and see how it works..or don't run the chip and add the weight to match the "big motors" or try both to see the difference. Of course that's easy for me to say cause we won't have to do the work! lol. Just my thoughts.

                        Hopefully this is all in the best to try and get more cars to all the tracks in FL. Guess we'll find out!

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                        • #27
                          Jack, who cares what Wayne did years ago you missed the point! Your a Wayne fan and I'm a race fan. That's the only difference between me and you. Good luck to you.
                          You can educate the ignorant......but you cant fix stupid

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                          • #28
                            Just what is the cubic inch of the Fl. Spec engine?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Tim View Post
                              Jack, who cares what Wayne did years ago you missed the point! Your a Wayne fan and I'm a race fan. That's the only difference between me and you. Good luck to you.
                              Call me a Wayne fan and not a race fan all you like, but his long list of accomplishments in late model racing is rivaled by very few late model drivers in this country.

                              And as I stated previously, I'd rather have a racer that's been doing this a long time ("who cares what Wayne did years ago") trying to put together an engine package that's going to bring out more super late models, whether that driver's last name is Cope, Anderson, Ridley, Bigley, I don't care, I just want more cars.
                              Last edited by JackTripper; 05-16-2008, 08:26 AM. Reason: I'm starting to care less and less about debating people.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by dd38 View Post
                                Just what is the cubic inch of the Fl. Spec engine?
                                What I was told when they pumped Wayne's spec motor it was 378 cid. Like I said I was told that so I can only tell you what I was told.
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