Brighthouse Getting Chips; New Spec Motor Rules

[USAMedia]

FASCAR is announcing the Florida spec motors will be required to run the 7400 chip and carry an extra 50 lbs when running in the Brighthouse Challenge Series.

A press release is expected shortly by FASCAR to announce this decision is more detail.

[Walt]

Is this for real???

FASCAR is announcing the Florida spec motors will be required to run the 7400 chip and carry an extra 50 lbs when running in the Brighthouse Challenge Series.

A press release is expected shortly by FASCAR to announce this decision is more detail.

[Boneman]

So, will this equalize competition and bring out some cars that feel like they didn't have a chance? Or will it tick off the spec motor owners and chase them away? I can just hear them, "we have been loyal supporters of the series and now the track is making us add weight and a chip! I aint never coming back, etc. etc."

They have a point: if they bought the motor they that was clearly spelled out, and did everything that they were supposed to, why penalize them now? Answer: for better racing and a healthier series. Rules change in racing, its nothing new. I give the track credit for stepping up and trying something, even though they will take some heat about it.

My guess is that it will be a positive effect overall, even if it takes a few weeks to get there.

[Todd McCreary]

i don't have a problem with changing the rules.

i have a problem with changing the rules in the middle of the season. neither of these rulebooks ( Brighthouse or Florida spec ) were unknown quantities last year. every issue that you have this year has been had before it was just ignored previously.

there are situations in the rulebook that are fundamentally broken and impossible to make work. and those need to be fixed any time and as soon as we can get someone with the authority to make the change to, you know, actually effect the change. once again though, this was work that should have been done in the off season.

[Tim]

Think of it this way, the last Brighthouse race and last Friday's Sunbelt race were not won by spec motors. But they are still going to penalize them. In other words, theres no way we are going to let a 16k motor beat a 40k+ motor?

Every Super Late Model Driver and many others involved in the game wondered what kind of influence Wayne Anderson and his new tech man at NSS would have there. Guess this shows it. What next? Let me guess, he shows up at NSS for the next Brighthouse race with a spec motor? He wins because nobody else shows? He let's them tear it down in tech to see what's in them? Regardless of what happens now, it's all for show. And more importantly, it's his show now.

[Boneman]

Are we being a little too dramatic? Sorry, I don't believe the entire class will fall apart because of a mid-season rules adjustment.

[academictrucks]

I know of at least nine top teams will not attend the race and are determined to make a stand against this change. A change of this nature should never happen after the season has started. I think this is going to work against NSS and certainly people will not be attending when the top teams will not be running. Time will tell.

[SLMfantracker84]

Oh my God people

Boneman. I agree with you. NSS may take a little heat for this but, maybe, just maybe we might see a half decent race without guys checking out and being a boring race.Tracks change rules all the time, so what. let's see what happens at this race. If guys aren't going to show up then there's no point in seeing if it's going to work. They must be scared of this rule if there not going to show up. Something must be wrong with there stuff if that's the way they feel.
I get a kick out of you guys. You sit there/TIM, back seat driving and not knowing what's really going on.Why don't you just go up and ask Wayne himself, or others that feel the same way about these motors, I would if i was in the pits. Wayne said one thing about why he was running up North and he liked the Spec/Sealed motor he had from McGunnegul and you guys are all over him. he was just saying what other drivers are saying but don't have the nuts to say anything about it. he's not a rule changer. he just brings things to light that others are saying.

[Egoracing]

They added 50lbs and a chip. It is not like they outlawed an internal part or made a driver replace an existing part. Many of you were upset they were doing nothing and now are because they did something. I Commend them on there choice. The weight is something that EVERY one of these teams has in the shop anyway and a chip with a rev limiter box if needed is under $200. These guys waste that in a weekend on tires.

[donsix2]

Blown up!

I try not to post but got to tell you a bit of info. To keep the cost down the Fl spec motor is built with a heavy crank assembley and will not last if it's run against an rpm chip. Its not a question of if but when. Other than having a rule that doesn't make sense shoved up their ass this is why the racers would not attend. They cost one third of the other choices and there are 30 SLM and over 100 LLM spec motors out there. You can't make a rule that will destroy their engines. [DUH] Do your home work before making rules that you think will be fashionable. People with out the knowledge need not have the authority to ruin the sport that i love. Now go get me I posted something for you to bitch about. Do your home work first.

For more info look at the horsepower on the dyno, dynos give different numbers but the difference between engines is always the same.

23 degree 9:1 with stock 390 - 2700lbs
548hp
Cost: Nobody would build one new today - leftover parts

Mcgonigal northern spec motor - 2700lbs
558hp
Cost: $17,000

Stock steel head chevy - 2700lbs
575hp
Cost: Noboby would build one new today

Florida spec motor - 2700lbs
602hp
Cost: $17,000

Don62
Aftermarket steelhead chevy - 2750
620hp
Cost: As high as $30k

18 degree 9:1 with SAS carb - 2750lbs
640hp
Cost: Over $35k

Stock steel head ford - 2750lbs
660hp
Cost: Over $45k

If you were a racer and owned anything but a fl spec motor and had 25-45,000k in your engine. You blow it up and your engine builder wants another 25-45k to fix or replace it. Look at your options above. Which one would you buy?

Don62

[spec is bull]

i'm sorry but florida spec is 17,000 602 hp or 22,000 645+ hp
i know a motor builder that put four spec motors on dyno and they were all around 590 to 600 hp but one and that was the progresive spec at 646hp so you tell me what's fair

[Egoracing]

I heavy crank will break sooner at high RPM than they will against a rev limiter. Also the rev limiters of today are soft and you cannot tell the engine is against them unless you are almost in the car. 99% of the crates running on dirt are on the rev limiters as many drivers are using them to use the back side of the torque curve to get the car into the corners and there 50+lb cranks and PM rods do just fine.
As for the Dyno comment, you are incorrect. A Dyno can be adjusted to say about anything. I watched a dyno operator adjust a 4 cylinder 2300cc engine from 175hp to over 250hp and he NEVER left the dyno console. The only comparisons you can do effectively is from one engine to another run on the same dyno with the same operator and same parameters. Why do you think CUP and Indy teams only have 1 dyno operator that runs there dyno room.
If you think you are going to get over 600hp out of a stock production block engine you are going to run over your crankshaft when the main webs split.

[RacingDrama]

And the drama continues...

Wayne Anderson rule number 84 if you can't beat them on the track bring them down to your level. I guess the dirt thing didn't work out quite as well as everyone thought cause in his first overly dramatized apperance he broke something and hit the wall or hit the wall and broke something(depends on who you talk to) and hasn't been back. So now let's mess with the aspalt racing. It really is sad that someone who doesn't support the track can come in and start putting ideas in someones head about rule changes just to prove a point. I'm just curious if making 1 driver happy is worth losing 7 or 8. In some peoples eyes Wayne may be a great driver he did go down to Punta Gorda this past weekend and win he beat 11 other cars 2 of his own cars a couple crate cars and some goodyear cars and as unbeatable as those spec motors are 1 finshed 2nd and didn't Mr. Wayne Anderson look like a hero with his goofy smile in the pictures at the end of the night. These racers with these 40k motors are just upset because the latest and greatest thing has come out now and its less than half the price of theres way more economic and its beating them. In Wayne's world obviously there must be something wrong with these motors steve must be cheating them up. What i've always found is that when a racer is cheating and getting beat then they assume whoever is beating them must be cheating also (any racers who read this will know thats true). As far as the Bright House Challenge race this weekend that should be oh so exciting. I can see the headlines now Wayne Anderson sets fast time they invert the entire field he leads every lap and sets a blistering pace around New Smyrna Speedway in his Progressive spec motor that he bought from his dad. Now everyones happy Wayne proves that he can win with a spec motor with a 7400 chip and he gets all the rules changed then goes and gets his big motor out and trys to lap the field. The worst part is the last Bright House challenge race had 19 cars which is a good field and now there going to have Wayne I just hope it was well worth the trade off. You never know He might put on a good show by himself. Just maybe people will see wayne for what he is. Someone who wants racing to revolve around him and is willing to manipulate everyone he can to make the system work for them. When people realize that this is how he works maybe they will also realize there are alot of great drivers with much better attitudes that they would rather have at there tracks. If he doesn't like the rules no one is making him come there and there would probably be alot less headaches if he wasn't. Good luck this weekend wayne I just hope to many people don't waste their gas driving over for the 1 man show

[rusty47711]

who says you won't just change the numbers on a 7800 chip to say 7400 as far as i know nss has no way of checking to see if the chip is working at whatever rpm or if the limiter circuit has been completely bypassed. unless boxes are out of reach of driver and the track comes up with the tool to check the chips it is a pointless rule someone or most everyone will find a way around it.


rusty

[Egoracing]

who says you won't just change the numbers on a 7800 chip to say 7400 as far as i know nss has no way of checking to see if the chip is working at whatever rpm or if the limiter circuit has been completely bypassed. unless boxes are out of reach of driver and the track comes up with the tool to check the chips it is a pointless rule someone or most everyone will find a way around it.


rusty

Yup. I had an MSD that was in a car we bought that had an extra pair of wires on it. This guy we bought the car from used to KILL us at the track. I asked him about the wires and he said to trace them to the toggle switch beside the seat. When in the off position it was like not having a chip in the box, flip it on and you were running on the chip.