NSS - MODS 10" Slicks and Pro-Trucks Schedule Updates

[chevyj31]

rules

this has been going on for years, the track owners are 100% at fault. the racer always wants to go faster, give me bigger tires, bigger carb, more horsepower, ect.....then the racer stops coming to the races, why, because it got to expensive and he cant afford it any more. keep the mods on 8 inch treaded tires forever. it is a good class, dont ruin it.....i just cant believe the amount of rule changes these tracks are wanting to make in such bad economic times.

[dd38]

Mule, I was reffering to the gear ratio 604 with a open engine, not a crap, oh I mean a crate engine. If you read my post it said "604 gear".

[23ny]

i dont know what kind of set up some of you all are running but when dave and i was running the 8 in slicke we only got one r/r tire every outher week and only put on 4 new ones for a 50 lap show i think in 09 we ran like 20 times and wone like 16 times so if your tires are not lasting you need to look at set up not the tire chad drove the car as did jerid

[Benny The Mule]

Mule, I was reffering to the gear ratio 604 with a open engine, not a crap, oh I mean a crate engine. If you read my post it said "604 gear".

I DID read your post.....and my observations stand. I can't believe you were using 555 with the treaded tires. What RPM are you at or trying to achieve?

I was referring to a built engine as well..i didn't want it over 7000 RPM.

[Don Nerone]

It's not the tracks job in the first place to even BE the tire dealer. Of course everyone selling a product deserves to make a profit, but it sucks when the tracks tell you what you HAVE to run, sets the pricing, and in many cases demanding a minimum amount you HAVE to buy from them.... well, that situation just sucks.

And as for kickbacks, are you denying that part of the negotiations to mandate a specific brand, is how much the tire company will pay the track for that contract? Either way, it comes out of the racers pocket, and goes back into the track.

The more tires sold at their track,'the more money THEY make. They don't WANT tires to last.... neither does the tire company. And nobody has the balls to say 'screw all that, we need tires that last a good while'. They are out there... but it won't happen because tire sales ARE a profit center for far too many tracks.

They bleed these racers dry, then wonder why they can't fill the pits...

Well i dont think you ever bought a tire in florida and raced on it so what do you know. Fact there were only 2 tire dealers in centerial Florida for years. Jay was the biggest and sent trucks to all the tracks in the state from tampa.
There were no tracks that were tire dealers and there are only a few that have ever been.
I have been a track owner and a tire dealer but never both at the same time.
The amount that the track gets in Point Fund (not kick back) is so small compaired to the cost of running the track or running the race car this is not even a point .
Find some other drum to pound.
You are not helping the proublem buy alwase blaming everything on tires.
Keep it up and they will change agin and the racer will have to spend more money.
Dave i hate it when your right


Don62

[dd38]

BTM, I have not run the GROOVED tire. This was on the slick. Like I said either a 549 or 555 at NSS. Target RPM was 7800 to 8000 range.

[Frasson118]

Don.... you really think it's just ME bitching? Just listen to almost every driver in ANY class how they really love the idea of having to bolt on fresh tires every night. They HATE it, most can't afford it, so most stay home. Even if the rest of the car is ready to go, they still need $700 for 4 tires and fuel.

Yeah..... I'M the one ruining things.

[Don Nerone]

Don.... you really think it's just ME bitching? Just listen to almost every driver in ANY class how they really love the idea of having to bolt on fresh tires every night. They HATE it, most can't afford it, so most stay home. Even if the rest of the car is ready to go, they still need $700 for 4 tires and fuel.

Yeah..... I'M the one ruining things.

Yep that is what i said..You do most of the bitching and dont even have a car..
The racer does not need to bolt on tires he wants to bolt on tires..
I rember Bobby !@#$% winning 6 weeks in a row with used tires off other peoples cars that though they needed tires. I would help him pick them out of the trash pile at the track.
You have them believing they have to spend $700 to race each week.
You are the proublem not the answer to tha proublem..ya i know i cant spell and ur the expert.

Don62

[scottgarrity07]

Not to start crap, but I had to chime in on this one. Don you can hardly be considered an objective observer on this one, you sell the tires for FASCAR and are waaaaay more expensive than the other tracks. I just bought four Sportsman tires at OSW (Hoosier 650's and 450's, the Mod tires most everywhere but Showtime, PGS and now FASCAR) and they were $50 more expensive more a set than at the other tracks! Would have bought them elsewhere if I knew that. Just took it for granted that they would be the same. Almost $550 for a set of tires (that last 2 races) for a division that pays $200 to win. What a joke. No wonder the pits are empty at NSS and OSW. Sportsman and OWM's need a hockey puck slick like the old Good Year. I bet Hoosier makes a compound like that (F60, F70?) but you'll never see that around here. Despite what you say, increased purses and tires that last (along with some good old fashioned PROMOTION) will bring the car counts and then the fans back. Two outta 3 ain't bad and that's why Citrus, Showtime and PGS are successful and the rest aren't.

[ncjack]

i take it theres not an impound for weekly stuff at nss? what if a driver could only buy 1 or 2 a week? and the other race tires were placed in an impound?

[fred23]

You would;t have to impound them. No one else runs them on Mods. They could just use the barcode reader.
Let everyone buy 4 at the start of year and buy 1 or 2 each race. I think one would be better. Of course then people will complain because they want to buy take offs from latemodel teams........

[Don Nerone]

Not to start crap, but I had to chime in on this one. Don you can hardly be considered an objective observer on this one, you sell the tires for FASCAR and are waaaaay more expensive than the other tracks. I just bought four Sportsman tires at OSW (Hoosier 650's and 450's, the Mod tires most everywhere but Showtime, PGS and now FASCAR) and they were $50 more expensive more a set than at the other tracks! Would have bought them elsewhere if I knew that. Just took it for granted that they would be the same. Almost $550 for a set of tires (that last 2 races) for a division that pays $200 to win. What a joke. No wonder the pits are empty at NSS and OSW. Sportsman and OWM's need a hockey puck slick like the old Good Year. I bet Hoosier makes a compound like that (F60, F70?) but you'll never see that around here. Despite what you say, increased purses and tires that last (along with some good old fashioned PROMOTION) will bring the car counts and then the fans back. Two outta 3 ain't bad and that's why Citrus, Showtime and PGS are successful and the rest aren't.

well i dont want crap but get the facts..
I have been to 2 races in the last 3 1/2 years. 1 was inverness and 1 at showtime.
Both times i was there as a car owner
I dont have anything to do with any track. The reason i even post is that im still a race fan.I know that most of the people here dont have a clew whats going on but i though you were smarter than that.
You think i give a rats a$$ what happens to Fascar?? come on now they told me i was not welcom there 3 years ago. Thes post are for the racers that it might help.Now for the tires..F70 was tested there buy wayne and they are so hard they spin and ware out faster than 45s.F60 has no sidewall and is unsafe at a track as big as NSS. Do you raaley think the track and tire company want a tire that wont last..NOT.. For years before OSW was paved it was so rough that any tire wouldent last 25 hard laps and the car count was the largest in the state. Tires are not the proublem.

Don62

[MOE #15]

Hey DON

Put them all on trailer tires and let the fun begin. Orlando Speedworld could be the best track in Florida.

[scottgarrity07]

Oh, I've got the facts. My cancelled check says "Donny Nerone Services". Is that not you? I'd get a lawyer then and demand a cease and desist on your part for FASCAR fleeceing local Sportsman drivers for an extra $50 a set for the same Hoosiers than all the other tracks charge and doing it in your name! That was the point of my original post. Yes, I did not know that they tried the F60s and F70s (hence the ? mark after the reference). And I do believe that a track and tire dealer would love a tire that wears out quick since the more tires you sell the more money you make, duh! In my experience if you spin the tires you are not going as fast as if you don't. Yes, if you spin the tires you wear tires out, and lose the race to someone who uses throttle control and puts the power to the ground. I agree, tires alone are not the problem. Crappy purses, promoters that won't do what it takes to generate excitement to put fannies in the grandstand (no crowd, no sponsor demand) AND expensive tires that don't last are what's killing car counts at some tracks. Seriously Don, if they are still using your name and your not associated with it you should do something about it...

[MOE #15]

It is his son.