Did we get a bad call...?

[Jimmy McKinley]

Wasn't able to get to Orlando this past Friday, but talked to Dad on Sunday.

Said they were having their best run since Scott (my brother) started driving, running second behind Allison. Told me that Emberson (the 30 car) was beatin' all over the rear bumper of Scott, and that Scott was giving the 30 all the room he needed on the outside to get by. "I guess the 30 got frustrated and dove inside" of Scott (according to Dad) and hit him in the left rear corner, spinning him out and causing a caution. Dad says that officials put Scott at the rear, saying that the 30 "was up to Scott's door and Scott should have given up the line, and he chopped the 30" and just let the 30 go. Apparently, there were tire marks on the left rear quarter panel, not the door, but Scott was still sent to the rear. He started passing cars again (granted, I guess there was less than 10 cars), worked back up a few spots, then was black-flagged for the fender rubbing the tire. He got back up to sixth.

I thought you were supposed to *race* someone for a position. If you're that much faster, you should be able to go to the outside and get around - like Scott was giving up that outside line, keeping the low side and giving the 30 plenty of room up top. If you get that frustrated that you have to just dump another driver to get around, maybe you need to rethink why you're in this hobby....LOLOLOLOL...

I've seen it all too many times over the many years I've been around the short tracks, and it certainly doesn't make me a fan of those drivers that have to "race" that way.

So, I really don't know what the official rules are at Speed World on who gets sent to the rear for causing a caution. But from what Dad told me, I don't think that the 30 should have kept his spot; he should have gone to the rear as well for actually causing the spin by my brother. I believe that if a driver who nails another driver in the quarter panel causing him to spin, *that* driver should also go to the rear, since he caused the first car to spin in the first place.

[dave41]

spin

front tire is 3 foot back from front bumper ,so bumper is up to door . sounds like the car had line. no one sets car up to run outside any more. pack slows down in race,set up for outside and go.there is outside.

[OrlandoGraphix]

I may be wrong... so if I am, please forgive me... but I thought the #30 was sent to the rear with the #12... as I said, I may be wrong...

Other than that, the #12 was yielding the outside through the corner's and giving a little room down the straights... but certainly not enough room to fit a car between himself and the wall... The #30 got a good run off the corner and was clear past the rear tire of #12 when they made contact.

PERSONAL OPINION: it was good hard racing, maybe a little aggressive, but certainly not "dumped".

[Rick B.]

Super LM race I assume !

I do not remember fully the exact incident, but I am pretty sure I sent them both to the back. I will not swear to that but I do not remember any contact that caused a yellow not seeing both go to the rear. That is the rule, car or cars causign caution go to the rear.

[Todd McCreary]

are these races not being taped by Brighthouse this year?

[Mark Keeler]

Catch the Weekly Highlights on Bright House Channel 21 Thursday's at 6:00pm on RACEWEEK with hosts Buddy Pittman and Glen Dehmer...

also available on Digital On-Demand Bright House Channel 300...
On-Demand episodes are available after initial airing!

[Frasson118]

I've always liked Buddy and what he's done for local racing, but where did they come up with Glen Dehmer? He needs to stick to racing, and drop all the cheeseball cliche's and such.

I also wonder if they'd like a "coach" on how to pronounce names. I'd love to see that show come off a little more polished than it is now, but I also realize that the coverage they ARE giving, is much better than anything else I've seen in Central Florida before.

I also would like to see them give some coverage to Ocala and Auburndale too. Both tracks have fans that are in Brighthouse's viewing area... anything else is just too far for their market.

[JackTripper]

I caught my first show the other night, BIG improvement over last year. Buddy is a pro and Glen is a somewhat recognizable face, so I think it's a big step in the right direction. With Buddy at the controls, I would only expect this show to get better.

[ancrdave]

Here's a photo of the dynamic duo I took during the Winternationals...

[Todd McCreary]

Catch the Weekly Highlights on Bright House Channel 21

so they're not broadcasting the complete races?

[Frasson118]

It's a half-hour highlights show, featuring OSW, NSS and VSP. They also throw in some driver interviews and a "Tech Talk" segment at the end, hosted by someone from Tim Russells crew. No offense to this guy personally, but I don't think they leave him enough time to explain stuff properly. Each one I've seen leaves me more confused than I was to begin with. I'm somewhat familiar with the nuts & bolts of a racecar, but I can't see an amateur getting anything out of the explanations given. And it doesn't give enough detail to help the grease monkeys either. Either expand it, or cancel it... the way that segment is set up, isn't working.

Again, no offense to the "instructor". I don't think it's his fault the way it comes across.

[ocalaisback3]

jerry brighthouse doesnt have a whole lot of viewing area in ocala we are mostly Comcast and Cox Communications and way out off of SR 200 (oak run pine run) they have their own cable systems i wouldnt mind seeing Cox do something their office is based out of Gainesville so not to far away

[Jimmy McKinley]

OK, so both cars went to the rear, then...that's cool...like I said, I wasn't there, just going by what Dad had told me, and he didn't mention that both cars went back. I can understand where his frustration was though, running up front (or near the front, anyways) for the first time in a while ;-)

I guess my real question was, what's Orlando's policy on cars causing the caution(s)? Is it the car that actually spun and caused the caution, is it the car that spun out that car, or are both cars sent to the rear? I think Rick pretty much answered my question (and concern), but I don't agree with it...just my opinion that if a car GETS spun by someone else's aggressiveness, then that car should not be sent to the back and penalized for someone else's impatience.

Thanks for all the input and feedback.

Cool...a good, clean conversation here, and not one argument, no one calling each other names, no one calling someone a *Bonehead*...oh, wait...LMAO...I'm sure he'll show up here some time soon...hehehehehheeheee....LOLOLOL

[Todd McCreary]

just my opinion that if a car GETS spun by someone else's aggressiveness

it depends on what you call 'aggressiveness'.

OSW has decided that they're going to start trying to do away with the "leader uses up the whole race track" mentality that is so prevalent up there. they've been warning us for a couple of weeks now that if a faster car catches us from behind that we need to offer a lane on either the high or low side, leaders choice.

if you aren't fast enough to keep a guy away from your rear bumper but you keep running from the apex of the corner to the wall and back to the apex you're going to guarantee that you're going to get hit. and that's not 'aggressiveness' on the part of the faster car behind, it's the only option you've left him to make a pass.

worse are the nimrods who will try and run you into wall or off the bottom of the track if you try to pull up along side them. and there's too much of that that goes on as well.

now if the leader offers a lane and a half on the outside down the straight and he's still getting run over in the corner ( which i've seen already ) that's 'aggressiveness' on the part of the guy that's behind. you might even say 'overly'.





i was going to ask why somebody didn't just refer to the Brighthouse tape to get an idea of what went on in this incident ... but if they're just showing highlights. [shrugs]

[roundtracker]

Penalizing cars

One thing is for sure, if tracks send both cars to the back each time two cars are involved they are always going to be 100% wrong!