Can anyone

[ocalasp76]

Doug , I use the same gear as I do at pgs. 530-560 I dont use much gear at ether track.under 7000 rpms Thats with my open motor, never ran a crate or gulf coast motor

I run a 5:14 at Lake City 1/2 mile and turn about 6800. NSS is a longer straight,shorter turn, higher banked and was told about 5:06 to keep it at the same rpm(6800) with a 2 barrel 4412.
-JIM-

[TEDHEAD9292]

The car itself is the same (headers, treadwidth,clutch, rear end), no roller rockers, stock 1.5 may be long slot. Crates have to run 4412 also must run a part numberd adaptor, but no wilson plates on bulit motors. Doug at SpeedWorld I pull a 5.35, NSS a 4.68, and at Lake City I would start with a 4.86. Hope this helps, Ted.

[openwm53]

Thanks

For all the input.........I appreciate it

[BATMAN]

Cars are not the same, tread width can be 82, engine can be 3 inch offset, and 10 inch center of crank to the ground, and 58% left side. Tell me you role over the scales at Citrus, Desoto, and Punta Gorda that those numbers will fly. I dont think so, Ive done it. They are using more of the USA modified series rules, besides for the engine rules.

[Lightening Mcqueen]

I don't know anything about Citrus or Desoto mods but the cars are identical in the two classes when running FASCAR tracks. All that is different is the engines. We run all season last year at NSS in the Emods and it was alot of fun. Like all the other classes though there was a dominant car and we struggled to get full fields.

[TEDHEAD9292]

Ok, for the record; I just checked fascar rules for EMods leftside is 56% don't know where 58% came from. Now reg. mods can run 58% if you run a 604 with 2400lbs, maybe that what where the misunderstanding was?

[openwm53]

I am

so tired of the dam different rules for these crate motors. Most of the dam things are cheated up anyway!!! weight breaks!! more left side!!! 4 barrels!!! Its the same crap with the sportsman!!! You can change valve springs here and not there.....You can run three link here and not there.....quick change here and not there........Every sportsman...modified....E mod...llm.....super....Should all have the same rules for any track in florida...........Hell Ted even citrus and auberndale have DAM different rules for sportsman and they are supposed to be wrkn together. Tracks want cars......racers dont want to change motors to race a different track......set up yes.........2% left side is a big change..........OK im better now........DAM CRATE MOTORS

[ocalasp76]

so tired of the dam different rules for these crate motors. Most of the dam things are cheated up anyway!!! weight breaks!! more left side!!! 4 barrels!!! Its the same crap with the sportsman!!! You can change valve springs here and not there.....You can run three link here and not there.....quick change here and not there........Every sportsman...modified....E mod...llm.....super....Should all have the same rules for any track in florida...........Hell Ted even citrus and auberndale have DAM different rules for sportsman and they are supposed to be wrkn together. Tracks want cars......racers dont want to change motors to race a different track......set up yes.........2% left side is a big change..........OK im better now........DAM CRATE MOTORS

LIKE !!!
-Ge Um-

[TEDHEAD9292]

Doug you sure said it right, and I am one of the guy's that have a say in the matter. Do you remeber 3 years ago when I, that right I called a meeting in tampa to get input from sportsman drivers. Do you know how many drivers where there? About ten, but Rex, Critter,Bobby D., Gary Laplant, John Sarppaicone where there so that tells me that they cared, but most of the drivers I talk to had reasons that they could not show. The system is broken, someone needs to fix it, I haved tryed. I wish someone else would give it a shot, hell I am willing to help anytime.

[openwm53]

ok

lets see if I have all this rite. If I want to run my open motor at the fascar tracks i need to be 56% left side and 2500lbs. If I run a 604 crate motor i can be 58% left side and 2400lbs.
If I want to run the E mod class I have to run a 602 crate motor with 56% leftside at 2500lbs. or I can run a super stocker motor with certain intakes i have to be 2525lbs. If i want to run our sportsman anywere other than citrus its different motor rules....left side weight rules.....suspension rules....rear end rules.....crate motors.....brinn trannys....4 barrels....2 barrels...oh never mind.......not worth it . Seems to me tracks tried to adapt to cars showing up and twisted the rules into a giant mess. Seems like if you want to run somewhere just show up and hope they grandfather you in. And if you win you will either lose your winnings or everyone throws a fit. Thanks for everyones input. What a mess!!!

[Frasson118]

Start handing out IMCA rule books, and throw every other rule book away. Last I knew (several years ago), IMCA reported having something like 4400 registered Modifieds, that run at well over 100 tracks, all with ONE rule book.

When something works everywhere else, you can be rest assured it will NOT be incorporated in Florida... remember, they "don't care how they did it up North".

That is one of the big things I see different from racing up North, and racing in Florida. Up there, the SANCTIONING BODY writes the rules, and doesn't waver far from the path (usually only safety components are updated/allowed). Here, everyone slaps what they have into a chassis, and wants the rule book re-written to include their car.

The inmates are running the asylums.

[MW68SS]

With IMCA everything from Late Models down to Bombers can not only go from track to track with the same rules but drivers can go from state to state with the same rules. There was a story i read where a Hobby Stock driver in the article stated he has raced his car at 40 different tracks over 5 different states and didnt have to change a thing other than basic set-up and gear for the particular track he was headed to.
The Dirt Knights TV show is a prime example. They race at 2 - 3 different tracks a week from Texas to Minnesota and there series , USMTS, always draws 40 - 50 cars per race of which more than half are the locals guys. The reason this works is because a Modified is a Modified in any of these states. We can't even have that from track to track here in Florida.

[Mav]

MW68SS is 100% correct

MW68SS is 100% correct !
I was active at NSS when the first IMCA Mods were invited to be a class at VSP and NSS for Speedweeks. I forgot how many cars showed up but it was definitely a full class and plus nightly with over all over 100 cars coming to Florida that Speedweek.
NSS thought they were such a good economy class they decided to start running them. I built 1 of the 1st 4 mods built for the class as I had known of their success and popularity for several years up north before I moved to Flori-duh in 1985. Before I had my car finished NSS in their ultimate wisdom decided you could not safely run IMCA Claim Motor rules at NSS because they were not safe enough. This was after they had 6 nights of racing during Speedweek with over 100 cars participating and only 1 engine blown. How many of their other classes can claim the same results ? DUHHHHHHHH not safe according to NSS so they eliminate the claim motor rule to what is specified as a $1000 shortblock only claim which was soon lifted too. In 1986 you could build a pretty healthy full race short block for $1000 so no body wanted to lose their shortblock to a claim.
As a result several tracks come up with their OWN version of a modified as they have done with all the other classes they each race so you know now what caused the demise of the economical modified. NSS and their ultimate wisdom of " We do not care how it is done up north " killed what is the largest, most popular, economical and successful class in the country.
Now you know who as usual was behind all the screwed up classes of race cars in Florida and always has been. As a result every track here makes rules so cars have to race only with them unless you want to make major changes to your race car to travel to other tracks to race any.
NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY !

[UREZ2PASS]

Great idea guys, go to IMCA rules in Florida and make every car currently racing make changes in order to race. Bang- the final shot for Florida short track racing. The north would win again and screw up the south. It is suicide.

If it's so good up north- go home.

[openwm53]

It seems

that the reg. mod chassis rules are the same........which was part of my first question. The second part of my question was MOTOR and its very apparent that crate motors are the problem. When you change chassis rules to accomidate a motor that belongs in a street car you just screwed up the level playing field. wouldnt it be a better choice to run the same motor rules and the same chassis rules and leave the rest up to CHASSIS SET UP and the DRIVER ??? I think thats the way its supposed to be. As far as the sportsman you may as well pick a track and stick with it. Maybe the fascar tracks are on the same page with the sportsman. But citrus..a-dale...desoto...and p.g. dam sure are not.........Citrus had 26 sportsman show up for a 50 lapper and im quite sure other tracks would love that type of car count. Dont no how to fix it and all i wanted was to try one of the bigger tracks and seen the E mods.. I will stick with the open motor mod and try to get it to the three fascar tracks when I can.......Too much B.S. with the sports or E mods. The only fast crate motor is a cheated up one and thats my opinion...........Thanks again for all the input....