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    Courtesy of The NASCAR Insiders

    NASCAR’s Fan Costs Have Come Down, But Not Enough

    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 07:34 PM PST

    There was an interesting piece today from the Daytona Beach News Journal about how hotels in the Daytona area are working harder to get fans to come and stay for the 500. The article mentioned that average hotel prices are down significantly since 2008, and that ticket prices for the 500 have also come down. Obviously the price drops are a symptom of the falling attendance that NASCAR has experienced over the last couple of years, but while it’s good to see the cost of attending a race is falling, we need more and quicker.

    A sidebar to the News Journal article shows the average nightly rate for Daytona area hotels in February since 2001. It’s interesting to note that between 2001 and 2008, the average rate rose $47.26. But from that high in 2008, rates are only back down $26.73 on average. I understand that other factors like inflation are in play here, but simple supply-and-demand says prices should be lower.

    Tracks have also gotten into the act, with most dropping seat prices and allowing for greater flexibility with payment and package options. Many have also experimented with adding different seating and camping areas, and other entertainment options like pre and post-race concerts. But again, with so many empty seats, it would seem that more could be done to get fans back to the track.

    According to the experts , one big area where viewership is down, is with the younger demographic. NASCAR’s main audience has skewed older, and is now the highest of any major sport. I believe one way in which this could be combated is with lower prices. They want younger fans to come to the track and watch on television, so make it more affordable for those younger fans to experience NASCAR.

    My whole point here is that NASCAR and the tracks should be working towards a new pricing model. They’ve obviously seen that the sport isn’t strong enough to continue charging high prices in a bad economy. So instead, why not go in a different direction? Why not make NASCAR the best value in sports? Price the tickets for races so low that fans have no other choice but to come out.

    Something I’ve never understood about sports, is that when attendance is suffering, why venues don’t do more with ticket prices. Isn’t it better to have the place full with lower prices and maybe more free tickets, than to have an arena 50% full at half price? The more fans in attendance, the more consumers you have to sell food, beverages, and merchandise too. You are also able to build a relationship with that fan that could spawn loyalty and future purchases. This is what NASCAR is missing right now.

    It appears that creating a fantastic product on the track hasn’t done much in the way to coax people back to the track. While we have had the same champion for the past five seasons, the racing has never been closer in the history of the sport. So if the product is good, and people still aren’t showing, what’s left to do? Lower those prices. Make it more affordable for those blue collar families to come and enjoy racing, and you’ll get that younger demographic back. Families will bring the kids that will be ticket buyers in the future, and younger people will come out to have a good time because it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.

    The sport as a whole is experiencing a correction because of the bad economy. We are seeing it with everything from sponsorships to ticket prices. Everyone wants more value for the dollars they are spending. For the fans, I say leave the product as it is, and add value by bringing down the prices. If you drop them (the prices), they will come.

  • #2
    The problem as I see it, is that Nascar got way too big for their own britches. When Corporate money was flowing, they didn't NEED or even want the blue collar fan. Now that they've run us all off, NOW they want us to be THEIR savior.

    My first Daytona experience was in 1985 (granted, a long time ago), and it was very reasonable to go. $25 for an infield ticket and $10 for a flat-bed truck to party on top of. Now, there are several parking lots that want twice that amount just to PARK, and then whack us for $100 to get in, $8 beers, $6 Hamburgers... the list goes on and on. Their own greed is what got them in this mess, and now they want us to pull them out of it. Personally, I don't need Nascar.

    We didn't forget... but they want us to.

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    • #3
      Great information Dave..

      How can we say it so very pleasantly....

      SHORT TRACK>........ SHORT TRACK......

      Please understand that it isn't that I don't like it, but Jerry is right, they ran us "poor" folk down the pipe and now they do need us back.. It isn't that they want us back it is they NEED us back... As I have said before.. I could watch short track racing 7 days a week...
      Last edited by flraceguy; 01-24-2011, 04:45 PM.
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      • #4
        I personally think Nascar's product stinks. Guess I got spoiled watching the cars go 210 at Daytona a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago but I also don't care for all the cars looking alike I hate their template and all of the rules racing is about being able to beat the competition in the garage and on the track. But I guess that is just me I wouldn't go if they gave me the ticket but I will be at NSS all week for the world series.

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        • #5
          daytona prices

          i went to 400 and 500 every year for 20 years started in a pick up in turn 3 cost 25 to 30 dollars per person when started, moved up to an rv and paid 300 dollars for spot to park and 2 tickets for myself and girlfriend,quit going when that same spot price jumped to 1500. dollars in 1 year . so ive not been back dont plan on goin back at those prices.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by flraceguy View Post
            Great information Dave..

            How can we say it so very pleasantly....

            SHORT TRACK>........ SHORT TRACK......

            Please understand that it isn't that I don't like it, but Jerry is right, they ran us "poor" folk down the pipe and now they do need us back.. It isn't that they want us back it is they NEED us back... As I have said before.. I could watch short track racing 7 days a week...
            Wonder if FASCAR will ever realize they need fans too?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tccaz View Post
              I personally think Nascar's product stinks. Guess I got spoiled watching the cars go 210 at Daytona a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago but I also don't care for all the cars looking alike I hate their template and all of the rules racing is about being able to beat the competition in the garage and on the track. But I guess that is just me I wouldn't go if they gave me the ticket but I will be at NSS all week for the world series.
              I can't say I don't like the product. But the pricing has driven me away also. I'd still go if it was affordable. But I do hate the templates and the rules that make all the cars the same. I really loved it when ingenuity paid off and you could actually buy a car that looked like what was seen on the track.
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              • #8
                Oh boy, I can go to eastbay, volusia, ocala, new symrna for the entire speedweeks for what it would cost me to spend three days at Daytona for the trucks, nationwide and sprint race, so which do you think we'll be going to? When I ate breakfast at waffle house down the street from the speedway and it cost me 15 bux that's when I knew it was time to move on. Nascar didn't give a damn about us then and I don't give a damn about them now. I'll spend $25 on a Bloomquist t-shirt before I spend a dime on anything nascar.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ABYSS64 View Post
                  Oh boy, I can go to eastbay, volusia, ocala, new symrna for the entire speedweeks for what it would cost me to spend three days at Daytona for the trucks, nationwide and sprint race, so which do you think we'll be going to? When I ate breakfast at waffle house down the street from the speedway and it cost me 15 bux that's when I knew it was time to move on. Nascar didn't give a damn about us then and I don't give a damn about them now. I'll spend $25 on a Bloomquist t-shirt before I spend a dime on anything nascar.
                  I agree, it's way to expensive. Also I'm not a big fan of DIS. Or Talladega, way to big, just my feeling. I do enjoy some of it on TV, way to expensive.

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                  • #10
                    Don't get me wrong.. It isn't that I don't like the racing, but it isn't like it used to be... That is why I like short track, ARCA, ASA, the Truck Series, etc. etc...
                    Duane Kelley
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                    • #11
                      The Saturday race used to be the best race of the week. Remember when you could go and see your local hero run a Sportsman/"Late Model" car at the "big track"? Randy Tissot, Bobby Brack, Gary Balough, Billie Harvey, Neil Bonnett...and against just a *few* of the Winston Cup guys, who would come in and run because they love racing - not just for the $$$. The Sportsman guys loved it when they could beat the big-name guys at "their" game - superspeedway racing. Then the Cup guys started running that series full-time, and it took away the "great" racing.

                      Then the Truck series comes along. NOTHING but short tracks - for the first year. Again, a lot of local tracks across the country had guys going to that series, to try and work their way up to the "big time" - Carelli, Harvick, Butch Miller, Mike Bliss, Cywinski, a bunch of them guys came out of California and the west coast those first coupla years. Then they went road-course racing. The road-course ringers came in - Ron Fellows, Boris Said, and a few others. Then they started getting to the mile-and-a-half tracks - and the short track guys were outgunned *again* by the big teams with Cup affiliations. Sure, Hendrick and Childress had trucks from the very beginning, but if I recall, they were the only two "big-time" teams back then. Now, if you don't have some sort of partnership going (someone who'll spend or bring $$$$ with 'em), you can't compete/run up front.

                      I used to *love* watching the BGN guys on the short tracks back in the '90s. Myrtle Beach, Hickory, South Boston, Nashville (and NOT the "superspeedway"), Memphis (which is a BIG short track...LOL)...those tracks had some of the best racing. Saturday afternoon, $20.00 to get in, just a couple of the Cup guys on an off weekend, not *dominating* the series like they do now.

                      Last year, I went to the Nationwide race at Daytona: $90 for two reserved grandstand tickets (Oldfield tower) and "Fan Zone" garage-area passes. When the race started, there was *very few* people in our section - so we moved up a few rows so we could see the whole track from where we were. Weather didn't help, though - about 38 degrees at race time, cloudy, and rained the night before. An announcement was made that ticket holders for the Nationwide race could stick around for the rained-out Truck race, but we chose to head home (wife was sick a cold). But again, not that many people at the track. Got home, watched the rest of the Truck race on TV - and the place was only about 1/3 full, if even that.

                      I'd much rather go to my local track on a Saturday night, but NA$CAR's made that hard, too. When I lived in Virginia, our local track (Langley Speedway in Hampton), would shut down on Saturday nights when Richmond was running. Hell, even tracks in North Carolina were "closed due to the race in Richmond" that weekend, because they knew (back then) that people'd stay home and watch the NA$CAR race on TV. Hell, when they started having the Firecracker on Saturday *night* instead of that morning (remember the 10:00am start times?), or even ON the 4th of July no matter what the day of the week, St. Pete, Hialeah, Inverness, and most every other Saturday-night track in the state started closing up on that night, because people rather stayed home and watched "the big NA$CAR race" than support their local short track.

                      It appears that creating a fantastic product on the track hasn’t done much in the way to coax people back to the track.
                      And this is part of the problem. Those of us that've been around racing long enough to know better, *know* that what's on the track now (as far as NA$CAR is concerned), *isn't* all that great. The Chase sucks. The cars have no *personality* or *INDIVIDUALITY* - as well as the drivers. The cars are all the same - decals don't make it a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. And they're not even really "American-made" any more. Toyota? Don't get me started. Not one manufacturer makes a 2-door, rear-wheel-drive, V8-powered, *carbureted* pushrod engine any more.



                      In this picture, there are NINE different models of cars - FIVE different Chevy's alone (the '73 Monte Carlo, the '76 MC, the '74 Laguna, the '74 Monte, and the chrome-bumpered Malibu)

                      1) 88 - DW in an early model Monte ('73-'74, round headlights, stuck out taillights)
                      2) 5 - Neil Bonnet in a late model Charger ('74-'75, note the difference in grille compared to the '71-'72), and that Petty feller (late model Charger also)
                      3) 11, Cale in a later model Monte Carlo ('76-'77) and 72, BP (later-model Monte)
                      4) 12, Bobby Allison (Matador)
                      5) 63, Jimmy Hensley (Laguna with painted bumper, '74-ish I would say)
                      6) 1, Donnie Allison (older Monte, '73-'74) (not the same model as DW's Gatorade car)
                      7) 21, Pearson (Mercury Montego)
                      8) 15, Buddy Baker (Ford Torino)
                      9) The last car is JD McDuffie in a chrome-bumpered '76 Malibu
                      Last edited by Jimmy McKinley; 01-25-2011, 03:27 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Now that is when I loved nascar.. When you could honestly tell what car it was and who was driving.. These days we know who is driving usually, but not always...
                        Duane Kelley
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jimmy McKinley View Post
                          That picture perfectly sums up the problem with today's NASCAR. Were those cars "stock"? Probably not all that much. That's beside the point. They LOOKED like stock cars. Why is this concept so hard for the Powers in Daytona Beach to grasp? Want to use the COT chassis? Fine. At least skin them in bodies that closely follow the stock ones. As for the Chase, well, dump that in the same hole as the current COT bodies.

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                          • #14
                            Thankfully it looks like they are looking into redoing this crummy chase garbage they currently have.. So we can only hope.. Now if they get rid of the Mazda look alike cars things might be coming up...

                            LOL...
                            Duane Kelley
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Camaro guy View Post
                              That picture perfectly sums up the problem with today's NASCAR. Were those cars "stock"? Probably not all that much. That's beside the point. They LOOKED like stock cars. Why is this concept so hard for the Powers in Daytona Beach to grasp? Want to use the COT chassis? Fine. At least skin them in bodies that closely follow the stock ones. As for the Chase, well, dump that in the same hole as the current COT bodies.
                              Actually I think you'd be surprised at how stock they were then and before. I stopped at Richard Petty's museum once and looked at one of his earlier championship cars. It still had a bench seat in it. LOL
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