who would you pick ?

[mr south 59]

Broof, that is why I posted the link. A lot of people don't even know about the voting. I was trying to let people that don't know about it. If I get a few votes for Dustin, thats even better. Some people take that the wrong way. I am voting in several classes for several drivers.

Dustin only won about 75 races at our track. He won 340 races and 5 championships in divisional and national series at 44 other tracks. Dirt and asphault. Again, if you don't know the facts than don't post your unfounded opinion.

Orbit has to get sponsor money for themselfs to race. Don't you know how this works yet. There is something big in the works for Dustin in ASA. He had to get Inc. yesterday. And don't think that the decals behind the #59 on our car is because we like them. I'm pretty sure that there aint no decals on your car. Maybe you should be worrying about that. Dustin brough in over 15k in sponsor money last year. How did you do?

As for the Pepsi 150. We fouled the pulgs and only quilified 6th. We were running 15.0's befor that. Ask Shannon. On lap 2 we went by you guys like you were tied to a stump. After the bad call while over taking 3rd and we were sent to the rear. (Everybody knows it was a bad call, somehow while on the outside of 3rd Dustin took out 5th and 6th.) There was a pile up and when Dustin checked up we broke a brake like on the left rear. He run about 7 laps with no brake and passed about 8-9 cars but he got into the back of a car and decided to park it if we couldn't win it. Unlike your brother Joe with an ill-handling car taking out half of the field. That was classy. Typical Joe Winchell. At least Dustin has enough sense and experiance to know when to save the car for the next race. What was Joe thinking. He was running 15.8-9 15 laps in. And 16.2's 40 laps in. Park it. Joe made the same money as me and we have still have 14 lap old tires and the car is full of fuel and spotless. I'll bet Joe wishes he could say the same. I think we came out ahead on this one again. And one more thing. Every race since Oct. Joe got into someone on lap 1. Beleive me. I'm watching.

Broof, you asked for it.

As for your stepson. That is GREAT. Are you funding it. If you are I commend you for that. It is all about the kids. That is why I opened our track. For the kids. Praise him every step of the way. Even if he doesn't run good that day tell him he did his best.

Glad you got to vote.

[mr south 59]

Guy's and gal's, it has been great being in construction and having all of this extra time on my hands to play on the computer and try to have a little fun. Some of you can take it. Jack, Canedog, Seay, Benny, OJ. Some of you can't. You know who you are. But time is running short. I only have about an hour until I have to leave for the rest of the weekend. So Benny and OJ really I want your answers from those questions truthfully. If you can't give them to me than we all will know that you really have no clue to what my son is really all about and it was just an unfounded attack on me and my son. I beleive in my son and speak the truth. And well, for you guys, lets here your answers so we can judge. I know it is hard to beleive his abilities but until you have witnessed it you have no right posting your vision in your head. Please answer truthfully or your word mean nothing.

Ok corral at high noon

[mr south 59]

Jack, that is freaking great. I am LMAO You are a classic but you are on the wrong page

[mr south 59]

I have been waiting for OJ's or Benny's caption about what Dustin is telling the crew and driver. We need to do it on the other page.

[Osmosis Jones]

Good Grief you slackers!!!!!

You've bolted the modular wheels on backwards!
This totally screws up my color-coded, symmetrically aligned charts detailing where I want the valve stems positioned for the next round of simulated pit stops!!!!

You there! Stop crying! I don't want to hear that your only 6 years old, either!! When I was your age I was designing a new crank trigger, activated self timing light for the dashboard of my quarter-midget! Not only that but not only did I start first AND fourth in my feature, I also flagged the race AND announced it TOO!!!


AND WHERE ARE THE RED DRIVING SUITS I HAD FLOWN IN FROM BRAZIL?!?!?!?

This is just like the time in "Road" Atlanta when I had to go bail the team out of jail the night before the big race after I had stayed up to finish my term paper for Mrs. Skinners Biology class......or was that Mid-Ohio? All these years and championships just seem to blend in together.....

ANYWAYS!!!!....You people are gonna drive me to drink!........in about another 4 years, that is. Now quit smiling for the photo shoot and help me find my tire tape.....the digital calipers are broken again......

I couldn't resist.....he just makes it SOOO easy!.....

Mr. Dunn: yes I believe I have seen your boy race before. I could be wrong. (I'll expect at least HALF of the farm, thank you) It really doesn't matter. I'm sure he has the skills and desire AND fortitude it is going to take for him to eventually succeed as a top Late Model driver. You are a proud Daddy. That's all very well and good. I know kids that could have used that kind of support in their career choice. It's cool to share this great sport between a son and father. I know. So do a lot of others out there. But racing, as with just about anything else in life where a persons skills and performance are the gauge in which we are judged and set apart from the rest of the crowd....it's almost universally more gratifying to have your accomplishments and praises sung by an unaffiliated, third party observer rather than by an overly defensive Dad who thrives vicariously off statistics and titles.

BTW....modular wheels aren't really rocket science but if you need a definition here ya go.....

"The Compomotive Modular Wheel system consists of three elements - The cast aluminum wheel center in the various styles below and an inner rim and outer rim. The combination of these modules allows an almost unlimited range of wheel specifications." (I got that there tidbit offa the Innernet! You can find anything on there!)

Kinda self explanatory really.....but here's something most "tire specialists" that have been racing for a while might agree with me on.....How many "modular wheels " has young Dustin built in the garage with two or three bent wheels, an angle grinder, an acytelene torch and a stick welder?


And lots of kids can drive go carts. They're fun, exciting and can teach you some very important fundamentals. But why, for the love of Pete, do people think that the abiltiy to drive a go-cart automatically translates into a resume for Late Model competition? That just really blows my mind.

And even though I was for the most part only joking about the Rolex racing crowd...wait....that's a damn good analogy for it.....I guess it is hard to hide how I really feel about road racing.


Good thing I'm at work today.....I could go like this forever.......but I'll stop.....for now.



Mr. OJ59

[Osmosis Jones]

Tire "proceedures"

Well....

Usually after going down and climbing through the tire rack and checking the measurements (that were put on by some guy with a (ugh!) tire tape) I double check them with my own outdated and unreliable tire tape then check them with my durometer(analog) and after measuring and checking about 20 or so tires, decide on a set that I believe will grow to the desired sizes when aired up. Once that's done, we'll run a heat cycle through them and re-measure and record tire temps across the patch and check everything again before we deflate them all and let them cool. Of course, this is if we have enough time which we usually don't because, well this IS the racetrack and we don't get too many practice sessions...and then we refill em' and measure em' again, bolt em' on and then adjust for any inconsistencies we find.

Of course we keep track of these things in our notes and as we change the chassis and/or motors, we will alter our tire setups to achieve the most favorable results we can. Once in a while we even get it right. Sometimes we might have to change a wheel offset to get our percentages back to where we need to be. I guess we could just petition the techman for modular wheels and such but we like to keep it pretty simple. We are just ignorant tire-tape readin' hillbillies after all.

Anyways after we're happy with what we've come up with and are running close to where we want to be (we really don't time ourselves for every lap of every race...nor do we try and keep track of all the other cars so we can argue about tenths and hundreths later on the message boards) we'll double check the pressures and sizes again just before we line up for the feature.


Or....we just check with our tire specialist and he tells us what we effed up.
Damn third graders.


The Great And Powerful OJ
(say it AHHHJJJJ....if you say it Oh Jay...it loses the funny)

[mr south 59]

OJ, You are a classic also. Keep it coming. Luv your stuff. Its all about having fun. You are way of the mark with the tires but it has been a hoot. I knew you guys didn't have a clue.

MrOJ59(luv it) I got to go. Read ya Monday.

This is the most excitement this board has had since it started. I can't beleive the admins let us get away with this. It was all in fun.

[broofjoe57]

Like I said, lame excuse, bad call sent to the back,blah blah blah. Same old story out of the 59. Now if Dustin pulled off later in the race because of no brakes then good call by him. By the way Andy I only asked why Dustin pulled out of the Pepsi 150 why did you choose to voice your opinion of my brother's driving. I have to hand it to you when it comes to innuendos you are the best when it comes to that. Peace for now.

[revlimit]

Wow....I think it's time to move on ladies and gentlemen.

[Osmosis Jones]

Well, I tell ya.....that's the way we've done it on our racing mower for ages now.....and we've won over 400 features and 39 1/2 National, Regional and World Championships starting when our driver was fresh out of the womb. I don't know about the rest of the well-funded teams with their fancy 4x8, enclosed trailers (some of them can carry up to FOUR mowers at once) but that's our formula........oh wait......you meant how would we set up those 400 dollar Pirellis......oh, well......if I was buying them I would probably expect 12 white-coat wearing engineers from Pirelli to pop out of the trunk of that Porsche and start spouting off readings from their gas fired, self priming spectro/hydro/phlegmgurgling/moronatron as they crunch the numbers on their calculators and decide if our optimal usage of the frictional patch is cohesive with the findings generated by the software they have installed in the Cray10 they use back at the factory.


Sorry, I guess I just misunderstood

[Benny The Mule]

Seeing as how i missed your cutoff time for a response Mr South do i really have to? You raced 30 yrs but yet i've never heard of you. I've seen your son race and he can run with traffic in a setup car....remember citrus when you bought the LM? Yep i was there. You contradict yourself so bad it's unreal. The longest employee at Orbit is a 17 yr old kid.....who had (as you said actually worked there for a year). 16 is when you get your license. Must be a helluva turnover. I'm not going to go through tire specialist trivia with you either. I think OJ covered that well. I'll call Orbit on monday but before i do.do you really want them to have your type of publicity? You have 24 hours to resond.

The 1 thing i will say is awesome is how your 17 yr old works full time at Orbit, works on his own car, and goes to school full time! He is still in school, yea? Because education should be WAY ahead of the racing stuff especially in this day and age where it will be much tougher for him to get a good job compared to when we started.

[Todd McCreary]

This is the most excitement this board has had since it started.


no, i don't think so.

Chris Stagg's ( he of the barring from FASCAR fame ) dad did all of the lousy spelling, outrageous hype thing ( 80 gazillion Kart wins, etc) that you're on about. frankly, you aren't even up to the elder Stagg's level yet. that's how these guys got the idea of how to handle you, they've seen this all before.

[mr south 59]

I am at a large family function and and borrowed a computer so I only have time to make this responce and then I'll see you tomorrow. So first off I want to say what I said befor, this is all in fun. If you can't take the heat, well........

Broof. It's Andrew. Your first. What goes around comes around. You took a jab at me about "a lame excuse" about my sons car, you get it back 2 fold. Why would you think, "Now if Dustin pulled off later in the race because of no brakes then good call by him". Like I said "He run about 7 laps with no brake and passed about 8-9 cars but he got into the back of a car and decided to park it if we couldn't win it." Do you think we should have used the Winchell mentality and stayed out and see if we could take out the entire field and be declaired the WINNER? What was your "lame excause" that your brothers car took out half of the field and still finished with the "also ran" guys. Know you better stop befor Joe has to send his wife to the drivers meeting AGAIN and cry that "someone is beating up on her husband on the internet". Maybe you shouldn't ask for it and Joe shouldn't give us a reason.


Benny, Really, I'm not upset. This is for clairification. Mayby you can see why I am so proud.

I remember Citrus well, But here is a recap. Dustin started this race after only 20 laps of practice in a late moded. http://www.karnac.com/FLAraceresults...75524245.shtml so I don't understand the "contradict" thing. Dustin has been at Orbit for 18 months, since the day he got his license. I never said Dustin works full time at Orbit. He is a straight A senior at Jupiter High. He gets out at 11:15 and starts at 12;30. He works many nights until 8 or 10 or later except Tues and Thurs where from 6:00 until 11:00 he is a kart driving instructor at Moroso. That little gig nets him $1000 a month cash alone. As a senior he has straighe A's and a 4.0 gpa.

So Benny, If I email you a copy of his report card and you call Rodger at Orbit and confirm that everything I wrote is true, which it is, would you please tell everybody the info you received so they can here it from you? Benny, I am so proud of Dustin that I want the whole world to know. He is an exceptional child. Everybody that meets him tells me that and it is unfair for people that don't really know him to place judgement on him and say it isn't true just because they don't believe I what I an writing.

Benny, If you want I will send you the report card and I didn't put the phone # up here because I was lying. I have no reason to lie. Do some research. If you don't beleive what I am saying than just say that you don't beleive, but don't try to insinuate that I am lying when you don't even know the truth.

OJ, read the artical above. That is why I think coming up through karting make better late model drivers. We bought the car that night at 1:00 in the morning. He only had 20 laps of practice in a late model and he started the race on 160 lap old tires. If he had new tires it would have been a different result. In his third start we bought tires and lead every lap. If benny is a regular at Citrus he saw the win. Why don't you give the name of a 15yr old driver with those results in there first 3 late model race with on karting experiance? Just one.

Todd, please read what I wrote. I said "this board", not the old board. But In that reference I was referring to the Stagg thing. Where did he go. If he was on here I could spend more time reading and less time typing.LOL

[broofjoe57]

Hi Andy, nice that you took time away from a family gathering to respond to the likes of us. Let's be clear on this one thing. I have not one time questioned Dustin in any area of his life. The truth is I have a tremendoes amount of respect for what he is accomplishing at such an early age.
My beef with you is the result of you coming on the internet and voicing your opinion about my brother. Not only did you voice your opinion you actively soliceted responeses to back your opinion.
As for you stating that Joe has gotten into someone on the first lap of every race he has been in since October,that tells me one of two things. You have nothing better to do with your time and money than go to all the races that my brother has participated in since October or you don't have your facts straight. Which is it? Another point as to how you exagerate facts to strengthen your opinion is the Pepsi 150. If Joe took out half of the field with his ill handling car how come he only finished 18th, and if he is such a dirty driver then why does he have so many different owners that he drives for?
So in conclusion Andy I have never dispariged your son in any way,nor will I in the future. His carrier will play out the way it is supposed to with or without your incessant bragging and in the future if you have something to say about my brother and his wife say it to them to their face be a man about it. Peace

[CindyLee Nelson]

Jeff Choquette

Jeff Chouquette has my vote, a proven winner!