Citrus Winter Spectacular 2nd leg Jan 22nd!

[x1x]

hey polesitter fyi i thought the 84 was hit by another car not the wall !

[polesitter61]

You are correct, with the amount of damage I thought he had also hit the wall, but he did indeed get it stopped before the wall and then was hit by the 111.

[Don Nerone]

Did i see 16 or 18 started the race?
Was it a FAST race ?

Just asking
Don62

[polesitter61]

It was not a FAST race, just our normal Winter Spectacular late model race.

[rinkrat]

How can a 14,000 crate motor reduce the cost of racing?

[mr south 59]

Don, the race was run under the new United Track Owner rules. There were several of us with ASA cars that wanted to run with them also but the way they wrote the new rules they made our cars illegal with the swipe of a pen. It did make it easier for us to decide where we are going to run in 2011 or I guess you could say where we are not going to run in 2011. We don't have to many options left.

It's already hard enough for us with "legal" ASA cars to compete with supers and specs and then they (United) go and adds more weight to us and than take away some of the preformance advantage that a crate gets. It's not even worth putting my car in the trailer.

Their rules are like Swiss cheese. I guess by their rules I could go put a 750 carb no my crate and pick up a little.

[polesitter61]

They also added weight to the supers, not just the crates. A "crate" motor set fast time and ran second in this race. A crate motor also set fast time at our last regular race of last season, and I know that one was pretty bone stock. Jeremy Gerstner ran third for most of the race before a late race accident took him out, with a crate. Rob Partelo was pushing supers around the track at our last race of the year, with a crate motor. I can be done...especially at Inverness and A-dale.

[mr south 59]

Polesitter, none of that really matters anyway because the rules were written and it made our cars illegal. We can't run in that series.

But since you know so much about those guys crate motors was Jeremy running his Progressive? Did it have certified engine builders seals on it? Or did it have GM seals? That also goes for the other one you mentioned set fast time and ran second.

And the other one you mentioned from the last race of the regular season. You said that "you" know that that one is "pretty bone stock". That means that it is not all the way stock? What does that mean? Just a big cam? Did you build it? Has it been opened? What kind of seals are on it?

The reason I ask is that my crate has certified engine builder seals in it. That is the only way you can just look at a crate and be sure it is legal. A certified builder puts up a $50,000 bond up and if one of their motors is ever found illegal they loss their $50,000 and their certification. They won't build them illegal and put those seals on them.

With that being said. If a crate is out running supers and it has GM seals in it it probably ain't legal.

The last thing I want to touch on is when you said they added weight to the supers too not just the crates. Doesn't that sound like the stupidest thing that a track could do when they are trying to equalize the field. Add weight to all of the cars. That doesn't help any car.

[jacko241]

Hmmm, why would your ASA car be illegal to run in the United series?

[mr south 59]

Jacko, I don't write the rules I just run by them. And I keep my car to the rule book. You could read the ASA rules and the United rules and figure it out. My car is ASA legal and it is not United legal.

[mr south 59]

Jacko. We got a little more in common than you know. Your co-driver Shane Lewis is a friend of my son and mine. My son worked him at Orbit Racing. My son and I were also driving instructors at PBIR. Your car finished one position behind us in the '09 Rolex 24 at Daytona. We were crewing on the Positive Output Porsche. We finished 17th after braking a transmission. I think you finished 18th. It was a tough race with the rain and the cold.

A few months ago Shane and I had a heck of a battle going at PBIR kart track. Let's just say Shane don't like to lose but he is a great guy.

[polesitter61]

The reason they added weight to both was to help the limiteds, they were the worst off of any of the motor/weight combinations. And please enlighten me as to why your car can't run?

[SM # 1]

YES , please enlighten us .

[Winger]

Polesitter61 wrote:

And please enlighten me as to why your car can't run?

SM # 1 wrote:

YES , please enlighten us .

These were written in response to Mr. South's post that contained this statement. "You could read the ASA rules and the United rules and figure it out."

C'mon guys, can't you tell that this is a riddle? You have to figure it out yourself. No fair getting the information from an informed source. You have to read the rules yourself. So when you guys figure it out, let the rest of us know. I want to know whether this is BS or if the track owners alliance is trying to screw Florida racing on all fronts. I mean if adding a little weight is all that's needed to make a car legal, then it's BS. If there is a lot more expense to make it legal then the alliance isn't doing something correct.

[alwaysracing70]

Get YOUR Facts Straight!!!

Polesitter, none of that really matters anyway because the rules were written and it made our cars illegal. We can't run in that series.

But since you know so much about those guys crate motors was Jeremy running his Progressive? Did it have certified engine builders seals on it? Or did it have GM seals? That also goes for the other one you mentioned set fast time and ran second.

And the other one you mentioned from the last race of the regular season. You said that "you" know that that one is "pretty bone stock". That means that it is not all the way stock? What does that mean? Just a big cam? Did you build it? Has it been opened? What kind of seals are on it?

The reason I ask is that my crate has certified engine builder seals in it. That is the only way you can just look at a crate and be sure it is legal. A certified builder puts up a $50,000 bond up and if one of their motors is ever found illegal they loss their $50,000 and their certification. They won't build them illegal and put those seals on them.

With that being said. If a crate is out running supers and it has GM seals in it it probably ain't legal.

The last thing I want to touch on is when you said they added weight to the supers too not just the crates. Doesn't that sound like the stupidest thing that a track could do when they are trying to equalize the field. Add weight to all of the cars. That doesn't help any car.

I have no idea where you get saying Jeremy has a Progressive crate....um last time I checked we bought it from Bill Heard before they went out of business and did the upgraded rockers and springs. Come look at it....it has GM seals and hasn't been re-built. We change oil and valve springs often and she keeps tickin! We have never been in the category of spending over 7k on any crate motor, so GET IT STRAIGHT! We actually blew up our backup cars crate motor this past season at Citrus because we turned it too hard at NSS and didn't change the springs before taking it to Citrus, how many other guys with "crate" motors [U]never[U] hit the chip at all, and don't blow? You of all people should know that since you ALWAYS out-motored us! We finally went out and got some real-help for our shock program and would love to race you now and we would probably be a little more competitive to you!

If you showed up with an ASA legal car (bring your old rule book with you), you should have no problem running anywhere in FL with it...Promise. We had a few differences with the FAST rules and the old Citrus rules but once we showed them our old rulebook the worked with us....so I guess you just have to WANT to do it.

What's keeping you from going over to NSS for Speedweeks with it for the big race on Thursday night? Is your motor NOT legal.....come on, there is no reason you can't race anywhere. I know you have a perimeter chassis, so the extra weight probably isn't that far off from what you car weighed for ASA. How many time have you actually race anywhere other than Punta Gorda in the past two years? Please stop complaining about everywhere else when you haven't even given it a chance!