East Bay teardown procedure

[teamzero]

I'm hoping that someone who was actually there can shed light on this better. I heard that the track official made the call to pull a head on the top 3 last weekend for Street Stock. I dont know what the outcome was. My problem I have is that the track didnt give the guys gasket money to put the heads back on. Now I dont know if this is 100% true. But if it is then that should be added to the rule book for next year. Every track Ive heard of replaces gaskets if they choose to tear down a motor. Hoping somebody that knows or was actually there can elaborate more on this.

[MW68SS]

The last night they pulled the heads on the 81 ,55 and 92 as they finished in the top 3. All were found legal. As far as I know they were not offered any gaskets or anything to put there engines back together. I myself have been torn down by Auburndale and Punta Gorda Speedway and was not offered gaskets to put the enigine back together. I was at Citrus once and the entire top 10 in points in the Street Stock class was torn down on the same night and they was not offered anything to put there engines back together. As in all cases they was offered the option of tearing down or being called illegal. I for one would not mind being offered gaskets but it seems what they did is the norm and not the exception.

[ABYSS64]

Usually your not offered gaskets, running late models usually the top three always pull a head whether you like it or not plus a random draw, it's just a part of racing, I wish I was offered gaskets every time I tore down!!

[teamzero]

what does it pay to win, 2nd, 3rd? it sounds like 3rd place prob lost money and 2nd might have broke even. If a competitor is tearing you down i believe if you are legal you get the money for gaskets, it should be the same if the track does it too. those 3 might have been better off to say no and take a dq.

[ABYSS64]

Not sure what eastbay pays for that class but I can assure you it doesn't cover being torn down. I remember being torn down in Late model at Orlando and it only payed $600 to win, try that one on after buying tires and fuel!!

[RSB]

African John says,

just spray them down with copper sealant and reinstall. You'll be AHHIGHT! Has worked for A.J. many times.

[rknhvc09]

all is true! yeah we got ripped for 3rd for sure! it was a bum deal, i mean the last night of the season and the last race of the night. they have not cared all year long, now all of the sudden , lets pull the heads? didnt make alot sence really. funny how a few already knew this was gonna happen also. oh well, were having fun and everybody was legal. and we'll be right back there in feb to do it all over again.

[Racefan99]

all is true! yeah we got ripped for 3rd for sure! it was a bum deal, i mean the last night of the season and the last race of the night. they have not cared all year long, now all of the sudden , lets pull the heads? didnt make alot sence really. funny how a few already knew this was gonna happen also. oh well, were having fun and everybody was legal. and we'll be right back there in feb to do it all over again.

Don't you think the last night of the season might be the BEST night to do this?

I mean, don't you think most guys are going to take apart their engines and replace the head gaskets anyway during the offseason, before the new season begins? It kind of makes sense to me.

[ronabneysr]

i can remember back in super six days

we would race at golden gate and win then have to take quick change out and put nine inch ford or dana 60 to care auburn dale when junior purcell was driving one of my cars

guess competition man was either working at track and had a machine shop and was trying to figure out what made our car run so fast rhey tore us down 12 weeks in row complete tear down they had and old house or something in pits behind 3rd turn i don't know if they ever did figure out what made that chev run ---------------- guess they should have looked at coupler behind fly wheel 20 years later you can buy them now sure get off corner quick go in deeper and don't need muck brake

i remember one night at st pete me and jr got barred and we let bobby dixon drive it he came in and wanted to know what gear we had or if tac was right i said why he said well when it gets up to 9500 rpm it makes a whinning noise

is it going to come apart and cut my legs off i told him ain't nothing there to come apart run childers down and don't pass him you will be ok run second

next time you see him ask him if he has ever seen a six cyclinder run like that one or turn that much rpm's

[MiniRacer26]

what does it pay to win, 2nd, 3rd? it sounds like 3rd place prob lost money and 2nd might have broke even. If a competitor is tearing you down i believe if you are legal you get the money for gaskets, it should be the same if the track does it too. those 3 might have been better off to say no and take a dq.

You are 100% right. If all the drivers refused to tear down what would the track do DQ everybody? The only thing is you will have a few that couldn't get that $5.00 trophy any other way and would take the easy route to get it. Its not the tracks job to police the racers, it is the racer's job to do that. Anything other than a visual inspection, P&G and anything that can be accessed without taking a racers car apart should be the only acceptablbe means of "tech" inspection. There are protest rules in place for a reason.

[rknhvc09]

Don't you think the last night of the season might be the BEST night to do this?

I mean, don't you think most guys are going to take apart their engines and replace the head gaskets anyway during the offseason, before the new season begins? It kind of makes sense to me.

it wasnt the money or anything else, it was the timing! and the fact that the one that needed checking was alerted to what was gna happen. again no biggie! were having fun and thats all that matters! we were the only ones who just pulled the head off, everybody else jumped up and down for 15mins before they even took the hoods off. its all good, we'll be there next year given her hell again!!!

[Boneman]

Its not the tracks job to police the racers, it is the racer's job to do that.

There are very few competitor driven tear downs at the FASCAR tracks. In fact, the fees to tear down other cars have risen significently this year, so there will be even fewer going forward. I think the message is that the it is the tracks responsibility to police the racers.

IMHO, we are better off with more tear-downs, not less.

[Don Nerone]

tools

Use the tools. or learn how to use the tools.
If u use the tools that have been built so that u dont have to tear down engines and that saves money.
1 p+g will give u size (yea i know it dont work. yes it does)
2 Wistler will give u compresion (did they dick the block heads pistons)
3 they have 10 different boxs of tools that check things without takeing
a head of (use them more often)
4 like ron said. they didnt look. I had one to.( get of the stool and look.)
5 the teq mans job is to get the cars right not to find them wrong.

You wont catch them all but u will keep most of them straight.

we have had some good teq men buy most of them couldut put up with the crying.
Don 62

[MiniRacer26]

Its not the tracks job to police the racers, it is the racer's job to do that.

There are very few competitor driven tear downs at the FASCAR tracks. In fact, the fees to tear down other cars have risen significently this year, so there will be even fewer going forward. I think the message is that the it is the tracks responsibility to police the racers.

IMHO, we are better off with more tear-downs, not less.

Please explain how it is better to take a mans car apart, give him no money for gaskets or time and then put him through the process of not only setting the car up for the next week BUT also putting it back together, granted that the car is legal. Where is the logic in that and explain how "we are better off" with this senario.

[Boneman]

explain how "we are better off"

No problem.

When a track is unwilling, or unable, to tech cars, then it falls on the other racers in the class to use the power of the protest to keep things more equal. Without protests, competitors resort to running their mouth and pouting like children and staying home. "The guy that won has a big motor." "This other guy is the track favorite, so he can get away with anything!" We've all heard a ton of whining about the track's version of tech, so if there are frequent protest tear downs, and if the judge is educated on the rules and the hardware involved, then the competitors can keep each other much more honest.

As it is, its too expensive to tear other cars apart (referring to the tracks where I frequent), so it almost never occurs. This insures that that some cars are favorites, and that some guys do run illegal stuff. Why not? If tech only looks at the things that are readily accessable (carburators, exhaust ports, etc., then why not have an anything goes approach to your own equipment?

Your idea of "giving the man money for gaskets" does not take into account the fact that the protested car gets all or part of the protest fee if they are legal. They do get compensated, and if they are right, then they also button the lip of thier critics.