East Bay teardown procedure

[Don Nerone]

bone man thats was the idea when the rule was made. now if u dont like someone put up the money. If he is a better racer than u and u loose protest him. If the track finds him right they must be buddys. the tq man did it wrong.
the protest is the riht way to police the rule but its not used for that. Its another way to beat the fast cars of the track. The fast cars dont cheat as much as the slow cars do trying to keep up. being fast is hard work .cheating
is crutch.
don62

[MiniRacer26]

explain how "we are better off"

No problem.

When a track is unwilling, or unable, to tech cars, then it falls on the other racers in the class to use the power of the protest to keep things more equal. Without protests, competitors resort to running their mouth and pouting like children and staying home. "The guy that won has a big motor." "This other guy is the track favorite, so he can get away with anything!" We've all heard a ton of whining about the track's version of tech, so if there are frequent protest tear downs, and if the judge is educated on the rules and the hardware involved, then the competitors can keep each other much more honest.

As it is, its too expensive to tear other cars apart (referring to the tracks where I frequent), so it almost never occurs. This insures that that some cars are favorites, and that some guys do run illegal stuff. Why not? If tech only looks at the things that are readily accessable (carburators, exhaust ports, etc., then why not have an anything goes approach to your own equipment?

Your idea of "giving the man money for gaskets" does not take into account the fact that the protested car gets all or part of the protest fee if they are legal. They do get compensated, and if they are right, then they also button the lip of thier critics.

I think you misunderstood my reply, I am refering to "track tear downs" where no money is involved, either tear down or take the DQ type deal. In most cases in a low level class winning the race wouldn't even cover the cost of the gaskets so why tear down? You are dead on with the crying and the finger pointing. In other words if you think somebody is cheating put your money up and find out! A protest form filled out with cash in hand should be the only time any engine should be taken apart IMO.

[MW68SS]

From time to time you hear guys in a class grumble " The track should pull heads" and then when they do the same people are mad because the "track is pulling heads". I'm not saying that is what happened at East Bay as we waited and talked to the guys that had to pull there heads and it didnt seem to really be an issue. Most of the guys involved were laughing and joking with everyone there. There is nothing wrong with the track doing this from time to time due to the fact it keeps everyone more honest with the threat of you never know what the track is going to do on a given evening. Plus when you do that and you are legal trust me it is worth the cost of putting the engine back together just to rub it in all the peoples faces that said you are cheating.

[rknhvc09]

From time to time you hear guys in a class grumble " The track should pull heads" and then when they do the same people are mad because the "track is pulling heads". I'm not saying that is what happened at East Bay as we waited and talked to the guys that had to pull there heads and it didnt seem to really be an issue. Most of the guys involved were laughing and joking with everyone there. There is nothing wrong with the track doing this from time to time due to the fact it keeps everyone more honest with the threat of you never know what the track is going to do on a given evening. Plus when you do that and you are legal trust me it is worth the cost of putting the engine back together just to rub it in all the peoples faces that said you are cheating.

your right mike,
thats why we just pulled the head! its all good! just glad we were in the tech shed again!lol

[Boneman]

either tear down or take the DQ

The reason you should tear down anyway is to keep yourself in position to benefit when the cars in front of you are found illegal. You may move up and maybe even win one in the tech shed.

winning the race wouldn't even cover the cost of the gaskets

Your "gasket cost" is going to be minimal. It is likely that it will take some of your time and effort to put everything back together, but no one ever said that racing is easy, or that it does not require plenty of work to be competitive.

[Don Nerone]

What the heck bone man. i think were in trouble. thats what i think to. Opps the sky is falling.
I was at lakeland and one of the races said i dont know how to take it apart and my engine builder isnt here. we did it that was a funny night.
some people have to pay to get there stuf put back together.
here is the deal
You knew the rules before u came
dont cry after u get there

Don 62 ( its nice to be able to say this now)

[Boneman]

Don, you are learning a thing or two by reading my posts. I told you I'd school you!
Haha, Merry Christmas brother.

[ronabneysr]

being as how i;m older than dirt i'm going give two

examples first i ain't going to mention this guys name or car # will just tell you he was good and he was fast , and he could drive and he won ever week now they were super sixes he could start in back and go right to front

well i decided that night he won my brother was second and i think we were 5-or six so while he was in bull pen getting car weight they told him tear his car down he was under protest i have never just done just a one item thing when i do it back in day they did not have all the toys

so i had me two folding tables when heads were totatly took apart and cam was on table and complete engine was apart me and comp man walked over in corner and he said well what did you see and we both laughed and i told him go back and tell driver we did not find any thing

wrong with his car


and ever body remembers the night i done complete engine tear down on five cars at auburn dale all except #49 ford ron loftquist he loaded up and all five cars knowing they were wrong tore there whole engine down and they were all wrong

see that is one way of policeing your class were they pi$$ed off i don't know but they changed the rule book next week said one car per class if you are going to have rules abide by them

[Don Nerone]

Ron we were in texas when they protested the whole class at the gate.
there was only 1 car wrong. the one that started it.
don 62

[MW68SS]

By the way a Fel -Pro head set is $37.00 at Bumper to Bumper Auto Parts in Winter Haven. Good intake Gaskets cost 14 and tube of silicone cost 6. Then you need about 1 1/2 hours to do the job. Grand total to put engine back together is around $57.

[teamzero]

so at minimum to get cheap gaskets for rebuild is 57. I wish it were that cheap though. carb gasket should be fine. but then you have to replace intake gaskets, head gaskets, and the labor to pay motor man to put it back together. plus the gas to drive to winter haven or pay for shipping. so 250 is very easy for the cost. So youre losing money even if you win. BUT i remembered that IF you get dq'ed in the tech shed you have to start last in the next 2 features. so it just depends on whether you want that penalty or not.

[Boneman]

Put your own stuff back together, it aint rocket science.

[MW68SS]

It is that cheap and it is the same way we have put engines together for the last 25 years. The price of $57 is for head gaskets and intake gaskets and a tube of silicone and that is all you need. Also why would you need a engine guy to put heads back on? If you know how to set a torque wrench that you can rent from Napa by the way if you don't own one then you have this project beat. The cost of this job is nowhere near $250. If you can pull the heads off I know your smart enough to put them back on. I was using the place in Winter Haven because that is where I buy my stuff but I'm sure it is the same proce most anywhere.

[teamzero]

sorry it took me so long to get back. it can easily be 250 bucks. some guys dont want to fool with putting stuff back together (like myself) i just dont have the tools ( timing light, torque wrench) and knowledge of tdc and torque specs so I would pay someone to do it. If you can do it yourself then more power to you but I want top quality parts and top quality expertise to do it. it only pays 200 to win, 125 for 2nd? 75 for 3rd? leave the heads on and load it up in one piece. its a no brainer. it sounds like the winner needs to be the only one torn down in that case.

[Don Nerone]

so at minimum to get cheap gaskets for rebuild is 57. I wish it were that cheap though. carb gasket should be fine. but then you have to replace intake gaskets, head gaskets, and the labor to pay motor man to put it back together. plus the gas to drive to winter haven or pay for shipping. so 250 is very easy for the cost. So youre losing money even if you win. BUT i remembered that IF you get dq'ed in the tech shed you have to start last in the next 2 features. so it just depends on whether you want that penalty or not.

Did u ever make money? For what the race car cost and the cost to get there and get in your never going to make any real money. The $200 if that is what it cost you is another expence of going fast.
When i raced and u got protested or the teq team wanted to see your stuff it was better than a trophy ( we are bad).
Don62