A little history on Gun control

[carolwicks]

;-(

sucks that we even have a need for weapons... oh well...
guess people have been trying to kill people since the first batch of people. lol
OZ

[Egoracing]

Some Interesting reading:

Illinois State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson Issues Open Letter to Nation's Sportsmen Regarding Obama's History in the Illinois Senate http://www.isra.org/


CHICAGO, Oct 15, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The following is the text of an open letter to the nation's hunters and sportsmen issued today by Illinois State Rifle Association Executive Director Richard Pearson:

Fellow Sportsman,
Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.

I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.

Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a "friend" of the law-abiding gun owner?

And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let's not forget Obama's pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN's international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.
Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people's money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a "friend" of the law-abiding gun owner?

By now, I'm sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called "American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)" talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.

In closing, I'd like to remind you that I'm a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation's outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.

That's the Barack Obama I know.

The ISRA is the state's leading advocate of safe, lawful and responsible firearms ownership. Founded in 1903, the ISRA has represented the interests of millions of law-abiding Illinois firearm owners.

This press release was posted on PRnewswire.
Posted Wed Oct 15 18:44:24 CDT 2008
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More about the phony pro-gun group, AHSA:

http://www.mydailysentinel.com/artic...ion/edit00.txt

“American Hunters and Shooters Association: The Ultimate in Political Camouflage in an effort to mislead and divide the gun-owning community and to dilute gun owners' political impact………”
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Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

[carolwicks]

about Obama... every issue.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

both candidates issues:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...They-Stand.php

Personally i think they are all full of horse manure when they are campaigning... just hope we make the right decision because this country is in trouble and it will take a special congress to get us back on our feet. i hope everyone will read and listen to both candidates with an open mind and vote with a conscience... not with predjudice or with false hope....

my issues concerning abortion and gun control are not open to argument. i stand firm. i will listen but i doubt i could ever change how i feel in my heart.
however... the 2nd. amendment does give us the right to bear arms... not the right to use them indiscriminantly...that right has to come to us with some very strict rules. if we take guns away from honest decent people then the criminals will be the only ones with them... they can make all the laws they want for honest legitimate gun sales people but that wont change the fact that it is as easy to buy a gun on the streets as it is to go to a candy store and buy candy... i can leave my house right now and own a gun (any kind i want) in less than an hour.
the abortion laws suck... they leave too many windows open. if a woman is raped she can go to the doctor the same day and have it taken care of. maybe a few cells will be destroyed. some people think life begins at that stage. well it does... but you cant make a bouquet out of seeds.....to say abortion is ok for a woman who is in danger during pregnancy is rediculous. all women who are pregnant are at risk ~!!!.... babies born in the 5th. month of pregnancy have been saved!
so between being allowed to KILL babies and kill old people legally we are talking about genocide. we are no better than Hitler. only the healthy young people will be allowed to live? a little at a time we are allowing that.
i am dramatic but if you think about it, our world has changed DRASTICALLY in the last 50 years!!! we used to be able to go to sleep with our windows open and doors unlocked. we used to leave babies in carriages outside of the grocery store... try that now.. children used to respect their elders. when i was a kid we would not think of calling an adult by their first name. we would not think of answering our teachers back. we were taught respect and we would pay if we didnt... i got the belt plenty and to this day i cannot disrespect my elders . (arent many elders left for me lol)
the point is that we are becoming too lenient with our children and they are suffering because they make poor decisions they would not have been allowed to make in the past.
well i got carried away as usual and im sorry. my brain is in overdrive today.
the point of this post was to beg you all to read everything you can about the candidates and listen carefully to what they say... our country depends on our decision... our childrens future depends on our decision. keep an open mind and stick with the issues.
carolwicks aka OZ
this is just the way i feel and i am certainly open for other peoples opinions. i just am NOT open for insults. we can disagree without being mean.

[Osmosis Jones]

If you enter a gunfight......

.....then don't bring a rubber knife.

And if you want to debate......don't come completely unarmed.

Arguing sides takes more than just throwing hot-topic, one-liners in from the side with little more to back them up other than, "because I think it should be this way and I don't care."

Religion, politics, abortion rights, racing, etc.....if you can't stand to be insulted for your lack of knowledge on a subject, then don't go ranting on a message board about what your heart tells you as opposed to what happens when real life gets in the way of the Disney/PTL version.

In your repetitive manner of contradicting yourself, Carol, you wrote:

"Personally i think they are all full of horse manure when they are campaigning... just hope we make the right decision because this country is in trouble and it will take a special congress to get us back on our feet. i hope everyone will read and listen to both candidates with an open mind and vote with a conscience... not with predjudice or with false hope...."

followed with:

"my issues concerning abortion and gun control are not open to argument. i stand firm. i will listen but i doubt i could ever change how i feel in my heart."

Tell people on one hand to use their heads and decide who the best candidate for office is and on the other hand admitting that your decisions on important issues are decided by logic-lacking passion masked as "what your heart tells you to think."

Give me just one small break. For once, try and reach a logical, well researched and thought out decision about what is being discussed. Just once. Imagine that it's what God wants you to do. Maybe that will help. Just don't use bible quotes to make your points. Unless of course you want to admit that the rules and regs for today's christians who live and breathe out of the King James version don't have the first clue as to what was actually written and expected to be adhered to way back in the day. How many edits and re-writes do you think the good book went through before the "editors" finally came up with what they felt sounded good. Something that would sell a few copies and make them some coin?
Here's a couple of questions: Where were all the female disciples? Not much on the equal rights platform back then, were they? I know there were plenty of women around back then so what do you suppose happened when some 12 or 13 year old Hebrew girl got raped and knocked up by some drunk Roman guardsman? What do you think happened to THAT little bundle of joy nine months later? And if he somehow was allowed to live, what kind of happy life do you think the bastard child or his teen-aged mother got to lead? Can you draw a comparison to what that same teen aged girl and her unwanted child would have to go through in today's world? So much has changed but then, so much hasn't really changed much at all. People are still people.

Anyways, the answers are all right there in your bible. Let me know what you come up with.


See how much fun it is to argue religion and politics on a racing board!



It says OJ on the box

[Osmosis Jones]

One more thing....or three....oh hell...make it four.

"when i was a kid we would not think of calling an adult by their first name. we would not think of answering our teachers back. we were taught respect and we would pay if we didnt... i got the belt plenty and to this day i cannot disrespect my elders"

Why did you need to be whacked by the belt plenty of times if it was such an effective teaching method? So what you're saying is we should be beating our kids into submission instead of talking to them and teaching them proper respect and manners. Gotcha.

"i can leave my house right now and own a gun (any kind i want) in less than an hour."

If you're going, pick me up an Uzi and a couple of AK's.....seeya in a couple of weeks. Okay then, bye bye.

"but you cant make a bouquet out of seeds"

I'm pretty sure you can. It just takes a little time and work. Bouquets and abortion rights. The laws don't suck. But your metaphors sure do.

"we are no better than Hitler"

Speak for yourself, Killer. I live in a democratic society, where the hell are you from? Don't like the laws our God-fearing congressmen and women have laid down for us? Tough noogies. Move to Afghanistan and write us all back about living the sweet life.


OJ
"Now with even more Calcium"

[carolwicks]

OJ

ok... so now we see another side. i dont have a problem with you disagreeing... and some of your points are understandable. i never said i was right. i just said they were my opinions and i stand by them.i dont believe in abortion, i do believe that parents need to take control of their children as soon as they are born. i was an abused child and i dont believe in hurting children but i do believe in not giving children rights they havent earned or rights they are not mature enough to handle. i absolutely DO believe in spankings... on the butt... and i dont mean beatings... we live in a time when children are allowed to answer back, go off with friends their parents dont even know, listen to vulgarity on Ipods, have access to computers without supervision...and alot of other things i dont believe in.
ok... i said it many times Matt... if a woman is in a position where she has a pregnancy that would be detrimental to her health or as you say, the child would have a bad life, then do something in the very earliest stages. or protect herself before if possible. anyone who has sex and wants no part of having a child can protect themselves...anyone who has been raped can go in the same or next day and do something. and why wouldnt they anyways?not wait until it is a BABY....that is what im talking about. i agree that a woman should have a choice.... a choice to protect herself from getting pregnant..or stop the pregnancy immediately. the baby does not have a choice. actually in most cases, neither does the father.
from past experience i know i can NEVER win a debate with you...that nothing i ever say will ever make any sense to you but i have every right to say it and you have every right to agree or disagree.
are you aware in detail of what is going on Matt? that when a newborns head comes thru the birth canal they stick a big needle in its neck and suck out its brain? do you know that when a baby is completely out of the womb they take it to a dark room and wait for it to die? those are the newest forms of abortion... i call it genocide. actually they call it infanticide. please tell me you dont agree with that... isnt this by far more barbaric than what was the simple removal of cells in the beginning stages.
i know i cannot ever make any points that are favorable to you.... i have been around alot longer than you so i remember when life was easier and safer. when parents had control, when kids respected their elders...when you never had to worry what your kids watched on tv, or what they listened to on radios.when people didnt steal babies from their beds and molest them, when we didnt need high rise prisons, when doctors had ethics....
well 66 years is a long time so im not going to bore or upset you anymore.at least not for awhile. Matt i dont have a problem with your debates but i think at times you are worse than me... its your way or the highway... lol i would love nothing better than to be able to sit with you and talk about some of these issues... just you and me without an audience. just to see if there is ANYTHING we can agree on...
oh...you spoke about women back in biblical times.... they were alot more moral. if they got pregnant before they were married they would be stoned to death.. the old testament is by far alot more different than the new. .. Jesus changed all that. He gave His life so we would be forgiven for making mistakes. that is what I believe Matt.
as for the Bible.. the new testament gives us hope for life everlasting... if i had proof there was nothing after death, that God and Jesus never existed...then i would have nothing to look forward to. no reason to keep trying to be a better person, no strength to do get thru the tougest times... i am NOT saying you need to do the same. i am saying this is whats right for me. we are all responsible for our own decisions. i am not a preacher and i do not judge people.at least i try not to.
women back as far as the libbers were at home teaching their children, taking care of their husbands and cleaning their houses..kids were not raised in daycares. food didnt come prepared... they grew it, and they cooked it, and they preserved it for the tough winters... (and i know that times have changed and women have to work now. they have to work because we want to have everything! just about every household has 2 cars... we had one if we were lucky..we have dishwashers now, we used to wash them by hand, we have dryers, used to hang them out, disposable diapers, used to wash them, men used to hold doors open for women... women screwed that up...lol we have to have THINGS...thats why women cant stay home... they didnt have credit cards back in the days... another reason women have to work. to pay for things they should not have bought in the first place...modern women will disagree with me because they dont know how it was to be content... and trust me.... im not saying that todays woman isnt awesome... they are...but it is different now... its really alot harder... more stressful....roflllllllll well have a nice day....
carol AKA OZZIE
p.s.
i am aware that there are babies conceived by crack addicted mothers and they may NEVER have a normal life. crack heads dont even bother with abortions...they are too messed up to care what happens to themselves or their unborn child. then it is up to us to help those children get thru life. it doesnt mean the child will be useless or criminal. i know kids from horrid home environments and they are awesome wonderful kids. kids that deserve a life...some of them are like me... they could use their childhood as an excuse to follow bad ways or use it as a learning experience. i chose to be the complete opposite as my father. i chose to be a productive, caring, decent human being who loves her children more than life. i made alot of mistakes along the way but i dont think i turned out too bad. ;-)
well this one ought to buy me some time..lol Matt... our only REAL problem is that we grew up in different times.... i wish i could take you back to the 40s and 50's so you could understand some of the reasons i think the way i do... some day your children will think you are nuts... they will make fun of the music you listen to, they will think you dressed like a dork and they will adjust to their own times... you will be shocked and write to some young person about the way things used to be... ;-)
OZ

[Edm]

i can leave my house right now and own a gun (any kind i want) in less than an hour.

Can you get me an Mp-5? I'll pay you double$$

I wouldnt mind getting at M240G or an M-60. How about a Mk-19? Please include the ammo for the Mk-19

[Osmosis Jones]

Church vs State vs Carol's Logic

So......

Abortion is okay sometimes in your opinion. If the circumstances meets your personal criteria, I mean. Call me one dimensional but that seems like a Pro-Choice point of view if I ever heard one. Have you talked to your pastor about this yet? Because most churchies(not a mistake, I'm talking about the flock not the shepherd) take a pretty hard stance against ANY type of abortion under ANY circumstance. I don't think the religious freaks who blow up abortion clinics have access to smart bomb technology and can hand pick their victims just yet.
Stop the pregnancy immediately. Hmmm. So the gestation period is up for debate in your world, I guess. A three week old bundle of developing cells is different from ten hour old bundle of developing cells how? Does a woman who had casual sex need to go see her doctor the next morning for a pregnancy test so she can meet this "immediate" policy you want to see enforced? What about the girl who doesn't want to tell her parents about the uncle who raped her at the family reunion?
Yep....that's a pretty sharp ledge to walk on....deciding who can and can't get an abortion based on what your "heart" tells you. What does your heart say about instant replay in baseball?

You ask me if I am aware "in detail" about what is going on.
Do you, Carol?
I mean, other than what you might have seen on Oprah or read in a mass email from Sister so and so? Because unless you have stood at the business end of one of these atrocities you want to rant about, don't try to talk about what you haven't got a clue about. What is the difference whether it is a dark room or a lit one? Can you name one instance in where you actually saw or anyone you know has experienced this type of termination first hand? An abortion is still an abortion regardless of how it was carried out. You mentioned a stoning in your post. Do you really know what a stoning is, Carol? Read up on it and let me know if you think it was any easier on someone who could think their own thoughts or have a greater appreciation for pain. Try researching some of the torture methods used by educated christians when dealing with the heathens who didn't share their religious beliefs. Then tell me how barbaric and cruel abortion is.

Not a day goes by that the media doesn't report on the staggering number of inhuman and incomprehensible things that people do to each other. The world seems to be going to hell in a handbag, alright. But the type of population control that you keep (wrongly) trying to reference has been going on in China now for decades. Is it wrong? Seems so to me but theirs is a culture with a fairly barbaric history and I'm guessing that even though you had that information, it didn't stop you from enjoying the recent Olympic games on TV, did it? Did it stop America from sending it's finest athletes to compete? Nope. Too much money at stake to boycott the Olympics over something as meaningless as that. Why do you suppose good, christian, God-fearing people can overlook something like that just to play some games for little hunks of metal?

Discipline.
I spanked my kids when they needed it. I also spoke with them and tried and still try to teach them right from wrong. I hope my wife and I have done and will continue to do the right things when it comes to raising them. But again, when does a spanking not fall under the present terms of assault and battery? And then, done to a minor at that. Is it okay for a family member to spank a child that is not, by birthright, their own? Let's examine that for a second. Birthright and the myth of "ownership" of a child. You talk about a child being treated as a piece of property by parents. At what time does this period of ownership end? Do parental rights cease to be when a child turns 18? Or is it when they finally move out? Leave for college? Get sent to jail? When is the magic date? How long can a parent legally steer their child down the path they choose? And who is watching and making sure that those parents are staying true to the "accepted" guidelines for child rearing? Whose making sure we are following Big Brother's playbook?
Yep.
Another one of those razor sharp balance beams.


Last but certainly not least....women had more morals back in biblical times. I guess the prostitutes and whores the bible tells us about were part of an outreach program. And what about their customers? Can't label someone as a prostitute without some John(pun DEFINITELY intended) laying out some coin for a little action. And it's good to know that all that junk in the Old Testament was just a bunch of malarkey and the new and improved re-write spelled it all out a little clearer with a little less fire and brimstone and a much more dramatic story line. Of course it's been through several rewrites since but hey, that's why the word interpretation was invented.

If I had proof there was something after death, that God and Jesus ever existed...then I would have something to look forward to. A reason to keep trying to be a better person, the strength to get thru the toughest times...I am NOT saying you need to do the same. I am saying this is what's right for me. We are all responsible for our own decisions. I am not a preacher and I do not judge people. At least I try not to.

Sound familiar? I took what you wrote and just changed a few words.

Waxing nostalgic back to a better time in your life is not solely for a certain age group. You are one generation older than me, Carol. One. You didn't live through much harder or easier times than what I experienced. Some people were rich, some were poor. Some beat their children and called it love. Others just beat them for the fun of it. You are who you are. I don't need to know about your family to form my opinion of you. Most people on a message board have never even met. That's probably a good thing. The environment you grow up in does not automatically dictate your life and/or what you think and feel. It may influence it somewhat but as you said, we are all responsible for our own decisions. There, that's something we can agree upon as long as you don't flip flop and try to say that someone else is to blame for the bad (or good) things that people do.

Lastly, when I grow up, I won't be as eager to get into a debate that I'm destined to lose. Don't you know that youth has all the answers?
Wow, you were right. I am shocked.


OJJIE

[carolwicks]

oj

i know it seems like flip flopping... but its so hard to always do or say whats always right... i understand how you feel about certain things regarding abortion. in the case of first trimester abortions i am STILL against it but it is so much more humane to flush out a few cells than to kill a little newborn baby. in the end we are all responsible for our own decisions and in the case of first trimester abortions it is still abortion... when the child is a healthy one that is already thru the birth canal then TO ME it is premeditated cold blooded murder. that is a live baby. you are not allowed to kill babies but if its done by a dr. its ok? it isnt necessary ... why would anyone wait so long?
we can hash over religion and politics until hell freezes over and we may never agree but its ok...
there were whores in biblical times... most of them were property of affluent men.... so they were spared. roflllllllll times havent changed much huh?
you may not believe this Matt but there is a HUGE difference between life in the 40s to the 60s and 70's... children were safer, marriages lasted longer, drug abuse was nearly unheard of (before the 70's). in fact ... i lived in NYC and if someone was caught with a joint in the 50's they would be arrested and spend many years in prison .... that was drug abuse... now that seems silly compared to what they are doing now...(druggies)... heck.. back then even the mafia didnt want to "dirty" their hands by being involved with drugs... until they realized the money is GREAT...
i told you we left our doors unlocked, we sent our kids to school alone, ...well i can go on and on Matt but things were ALOT different in my early generation.
but my daughter in law just came over to help me put a dresser together for my sister who is coming from Texas to stay with me for 6 months! ROFLLLLLL i may have different feelings about murder by then...rofllllllll just kiddin.
have a happy day.
just for the record Matt... i happen to remember the conversations we used to have. i know how you feel about being a fireman and i am aware you see things i hope to never see... you are not a bad person by any means. in fact you are really a good one! we just dont see eye to eye on certain subjects... like all of them....lol i do have respect for you as a person.
there are times i have mixed feelings about things we discuss. dont you?
i personally wish there were no weapons anywhere on this planet! i wish all humans could get along and be kind to each other but this is one thing i KNOW we will agree on... "it aint gonna happen" !
OZZIE

[Edm]

Alright yall, this thread is about GUNS, or lack of. NOT ABORTION

[Osmosis Jones]

Damn....

And I thought it was about biblical whores.....

Getting back to topic Ed.....my firearm issues came to a head this past weekend when I missed a nice little buck at only 120 yards.....looks like I need a little more gun control....


sorry your thread got hijacked.....


FC
(frozen concentrate)

[carolwicks]

well there goes our venison roast!

all jokes aside... EDM... there is an election coming up and abortion and gun control are 2 huge issues that will determine who people may vote for. most of the people who post on these boards are men so it is natural for men to be more comfortable talking about guns... i didnt complain...
there is also an issue concerning same sex marriages. anyone here want to tackle that? lol
OZZIE ...not to be confused with OJJIE

[Edm]

Lol, I was just kiddin, I enjoy what other write. This election is not just about guns and abortion. National security, social security, illegal immigrants collecting social security, (yes Barrack Osama voted for this), ending the war in Iraq, and the economy just to name a few. There is so much that we dont know about this guy, yet because he gives great speeches he is about to be our next president. If anyone who spends the time to read up this freaking clown then you would understand why I am so pissed about even the possibility of Barack Osama becoming president. Here is a little note from Lee Iacoccas latest book.

Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course'

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned 'T itanic' I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!' You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis !

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It' s another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down. George Bush, Dick Chaney and who it this Bozo coming up next? One of the most Liberal Idiots in the U. S. Senate and he is talking about disarming America . I can't believe the American people are seeing what he is about to do to this country. May God have mercy on us all.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A Hell of a Mess. So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the big gest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once great Companies are all moving offshore. We're getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are the worst in the world. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is b e ing squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership and we are getting ready to put the most Liberal Senator in the U. S. Senate in as our next President because we want to be fair and elect someone just because of his race. We don't have time to be fair, we need a strong leader.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I hope you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.



Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Well guess what people? We are having more floods right now. What are we doing to help these people out. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time. Why are we allowing people to build in flood plains anyway? If you build in a flood area, expect to be flooded and deal with it. Don't expect the Government to bail you out.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. All they s eem to be thinking now-days is getting themselve s bigger salaries and bonuses. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it? likely nothing!

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.


I have news for the gang in Congress and the Senate. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change? I honestly don't think any of you have one!

Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope; I believe in America .... In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments I've also experienced some of our worst crises: the 'Great Depr ession', 'World War II', the 'Korean War', the 'Kennedy Assassination', the 'Vietnam War', the 1970s oil crisis, and t he struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: 'You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to 'Action' for people who, like me, believe in America . It 's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the crap and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had 'enough.'

[carolwicks]

Edm

that is by far the best post i have ever read on any message board.
YOU have given all of us something to think about. but the thinking part is over. AMERICANS really need to take action... awesome post and i thank you for it...
carolwicks aka OZZIE

[Winger]

You may think it's a great post but it's not accurate. The references to O'bama are not in the original work. They were inserted by someone passing the email. In addition the reference about O'bama voting to give illegal immigrants social security is also inaccurate. He, along with a majority, voted to table a resolution that would have granted social security to immigrants that attained legal citizenship, if they had already paid into SS. As for abortion, O'bama has repeatedly said he is against partial birth abortion.

The full excerpt from the opening of Iacocca's book can be read here. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/iacocca.asp

Look for the truth and not what you want to hear.