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  • #31
    Bubba,

    Agreed. But whether his intention was to scare him, bump him, or cover him with dirt, he drove close, he kicked the throttle, and another outcome occurred.

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    • #32
      Old school has taken the most mature approach to this whole affair. That being said Tony did not do this with any maliscious intent. This was testosterone talking loud and clear. It was racing as it was and always will be. If all it took was an irate driver on the track while the other party was still driving around both of the Busch brothers would have been sidelined long ago. That being said lets all as race fans let this incident quietly wend its way through what ever process is in front of us and move on to a better future. Do not forget that after the tragedy at Le mans their were numerous politicians ready to ban auto racing in America. I realize that Tony is one of those in our sport who we polarize towards for or against but thank the lord we have them as they are what make our sport passionate.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by OldSchool+ View Post
        Bubba,

        Agreed. But whether his intention was to scare him, bump him, or cover him with dirt, he drove close, he kicked the throttle, and another outcome occurred.
        Yea, but did he actually see him and drive close or did he see him too late leaving him too close?

        Too many things i couldn t tell ftom the video, like the angle the guy intercepted him from etc.

        I wouldnt be surprised if he just screwed up and i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt see the kid.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Matt Albee View Post
          What would prompt someone to willingly go to youface/booktube and watch someone being injured or killed?
          The same natural curiosity that makes us watch the Challenger blow up, Kennedy shooting and other tragedies in life.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Phil Jacques View Post



            I can not think of any reason in which a driver would ever intentionally aim for another competitor on foot. It just makes no sense to me.

            Its called Red Mist. Don't kid yourself, as it's happened here locally in Fl. as some of you may remember with serious but less tragic consequences.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by bubba View Post
              Yea, but did he actually see him and drive close or did he see him too late leaving him too close?

              Too many things i couldn t tell ftom the video, like the angle the guy intercepted him from etc.

              I wouldnt be surprised if he just screwed up and i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt see the kid.
              THANK YOU!!!

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              • #37
                EG--Thank you, sir.

                Food for thought:

                Lousy analogies,but every so often some superstar actor is friends with a bonafide junkie, who accidentally administers a lethal overdose.

                Or some weirdo squeezes another one's carotid arteries during "fooling around" resulting in their death.

                Are those people responsible?

                Even then, they weren't looking through the mentioned "red mist".

                IMO, malicious intent that has these results is called "liability".

                And the courts? Please... They will come up with a resolution, but it very well may not be "justice".

                FYI, the court system is NOT based on justice, but is rather an "adversarial" system. The defense tries to get the guy off, the prosecution tries to put him away.

                The truth may come out, but often it is kind of a sidebar.

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                • #38
                  ps--I watched the video not out of morbid curiosity, but to see what happened, and to attempt to determine the truth.

                  Am hoping another video becomes available. Sometimes I think I know exactly what happened but another camera proves the first conclusion wrong.

                  I would love to be wrong now.
                  Last edited by OldSchool+; 08-10-2014, 07:40 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Dave, I've screwed up before, but never KILLED anyone. I want to hear one person speak and that's the driver behind Tony. I would bet my last dollar Tony knows he f@@@@@ up. Also in the one video, the guy plainly states Stewart ran him over, first interpretations are what they are.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Groundpounder View Post
                      The same natural curiosity that makes us watch the Challenger blow up, Kennedy shooting and other tragedies in life.
                      No thanks, i don't have any curiosity at all about watching someone be injured or killed.

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                      • #41
                        I really don't know how you can conclude anything from that video besides the fact that Stewart's car made contact young Mr. Ward with a fatal conclusion.

                        For one to have "Red Mist" you would need to be overwhelmed with anger towards someone. What would Tony have to be so angry with Kevin about to want to intentionally run him over?

                        Consider this, to me while they were racing Tony made no contact with Kevin. Just ran him out of racetrack. Do these cars have spotters? If not, Tony would have had no idea what the caution was for. Coming back around a dimly lit rural upstate NY dirt track with no idea what had happened it could be likely he never saw him, until sadly it was too late. I don't see how you can definitively say he "gunned the throttle" from that video. Just that he swerved at the last second.

                        Last time I checked this was still America and you were presumed innocent until found guilty. Before jumping to conclusions we should let the investigation run it's course and let the experts determine what happened using every bit of information they can gather.

                        All we all should be doing right now is expressing our sadness that young Kevin lost his life and offer our thoughts and prayers toward the Ward family who must be suffering incredible pain right now. I hate days like this in our sport.

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                        • #42
                          "I want to hear one person speak and that's the driver behind Tony."--Pkirky33

                          Excellent point.

                          But Scott is correct. It is a sad day indeed.

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                          • #43
                            Canandaigua has never had the reputation as a "dimly lit racetrack". We raced there in the 70's and it was fine then, and seems to be much better these days. There are bunches of video clips from there, and it looks very well lit.

                            With that being said, is it possible that this happened in a dark patch of the lighting? Black car, black suit, dark corner........

                            I refuse to watch myself, just throwing out a theory of what may have contributed.

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                            • #44
                              I understand some of you guys reasoning for not wanting to watch the video. I get it and I'm not knocking you for it.

                              However, how can you form an opinion or suggest anything "could" have been a cause for this when you have yet to see the evidence with your own eyes? I mean if you're gonna speculate things then take the 60 seconds to watch it.

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                              • #45
                                Watch or not to watch that is the question. Unfortunately our technological world has in many cases forced us to experience things we would prefer not to. Since it began in live fashion with the killing of Jack Ruby and on film with JFK and has continued ad nauseum we have become indifferent to its shock effect and I fear with youth their value of human life in general. My concern beyond the people directly involved is for the sport itself. We do not want or need politicians and regulators looking at ways to involve themselves in our sport. We do not need their uninformed input on how conduct the business of auto racing and we certainly do not need to lose any more sponsorship money. Our sport is really in a state of decline from its previous high levels of those attending, viewing or participating. This incident will do nothing but further harm and I feel we should do all that we can to show our loyalty to the sport and support its future.

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